What hours do you expect someone to work?

[pgk]

yeh yeh what ever , Right wing press lol . I suppose you read the the guardian communist paper by your post

Your uninformed ignorance amuses me somewhat as it reminds me of why I have spent so many years establishing facts to arrive at an informed conclusion.

 

[holywell farmer]

In my experience it's better working for someone else.

It's not all manky sheds for lunch, we've just built a new bothy/office with toilet, shower, and cooking facilities for staff and people working on farm. It's cleaned once a week and stocked with home baking, tea and coffee etc.

Coincidentally we don't seem to have much bother attracting and keeping good staff.

Top man looking after staff welfare

 

[Chae1]

Top man looking after staff welfare

It will become law soon to provide decent facilities for staff on farms.

Do you not get provided with proper facilities on building site?

 

[Derrick Hughes]

I know what you mean but there is a case of leading from the front? Don't ask somebody to do something you wouldn't do yourself. I think you gain a certain amount respect from staff for doing this too.

Sorry but don't agree .my staff do a better job than me they prefer it if I stay out of the way , which suits me fine as I can take plenty of time off

 

[Rowland]

I know what you mean but there is a case of leading from the front? Don't ask somebody to do something you wouldn't do yourself. I think you gain a certain amount respect from staff for doing this too.

The boss needs to do boss type things not menial things which is why staff are employed. Harsh but true.

 

[Chae1]

The boss needs to do boss type things not menial things which is why staff are employed. Harsh but true.

Depends on the size of business I suppose. We all do menial tasks. Can do boss type things inbetween them.

 

[glasshouse]

I worked as a junior dairy manager for a farm management company for two years on a multi dairy estate.

I consistently worked: 4am-7pm with no breaks whatsoever every week of the year. Could be later if silaging etc. The dairymen went home in the middle of the day but I was expected to work straight through. Lunch was a sandwich in the truck while driving. I did the night checks at least one night in three (main dairy was 4 miles from where my tied flat was). With 900 cows there was a pretty high chance it wouldn’t just be a look round.

12 days on, 2 off. 28 days holiday a year including bank holidays.

I loved the job but the hours were relentless. I got depressed (didn’t know it at the time) and lost a relationship over it. No one needs to consistently do 80-100 hours a week. It will make you ill.

But rich!

 

[Dan7626]

it might be a case of they think they will not make enough on them hours,
and no your not asking too much on the above


on an other note
very strange thing is this employer/employee relationship,
some want to work all the hours they can and others dont want to work weekends
some wants more than their pound of flesh out of staff, others pass responsibility on to staff and let them get on with it,

you wont get a responsible staff member if you dont give them responsibility,

its is better to have a willing worker than a pressed one, so try to involve them it day to day plans, make them feel wanted, and you will get far more out of them, even a "please could you do ,,,,,,," is far better than telling what they should do next,
If you have 2 jobs that need doing, both not a hurry or need to be done in an order, ask them which job they want to do first,

the secret of a good boss, is that he need not be there to keep the job going on,

sadly farmers in general are not good bosses, and lack man management skills, however there is some employees that take the p155 and cannot be managed by the best of bosses,

I worked at 1 place many years ago, there was a lad worked there and was first to work in a morning, last way at night,
yet an other lad was late in a morning every day, and did not like to work late, yet he go far more done than the lad putting the hours in,

Absolutely spot on .
I get on well with my boss but he's far from a good boss.
He won't leave me to get on with anything on my own, he's always there somewhere making sure it's done 'his' way. He wont let me think for myself and never lets me know what's happening from 1 job to the next.

 

[Dead Rabbits]

The boss needs to do boss type things not menial things which is why staff are employed. Harsh but true.

Very much disagree. Obviously the employer can't be the one doing all the tasks all the time, but occasionally is possible. If employees think the boss can't hang, or didn't in the past, there will never be any respect.

 

[Rowland]

Very much disagree. Obviously the employer can't be the one doing all the tasks all the time, but occasionally is possible. If employees think the boss can't hang, or didn't in the past, there will never be any respect.

I’ll disagree with you on that.
If your an employee you should expect to do what’s ask of you. There’s ways of doing that!

 

[Derrick Hughes]

So if a you take on a new staff member you have to give him your life history to prove you a worthy

 

[glasshouse]

If you cant do the job yourself, how are you going to know its being done right?
Employees will take great delight in bullshitting you if they think you dont know the score.
Vodafone woman tthe other day sold me a new phone cos she said old one was goosed.
Took it to corner shop, they cleaned it out and its working again!

 

[Derrick Hughes]

If you cant do the job yourself, how are you going to know its being done right?
Employees will take great delight in bullshitting you if they think you dont know the score.
Vodafone woman tthe other day sold me a new phone cos she said old one was goosed.
Took it to corner shop, they cleaned it out and its working again!

The right way is how the boss wants it done , but boss is happy to take on board new ideas if you bring them up at morning discussions

 

[Grassman]

Very much disagree. Obviously the employer can't be the one doing all the tasks all the time, but occasionally is possible. If employees think the boss can't hang, or didn't in the past, there will never be any respect.

I can't repair computers. If I employ someone to do it why do I have to be able to do it as well?

 

[glasshouse]

I can't repair computers. If I employ someone to do it why do I have to be able to do it as well?

Because you have to know when its not being done right

 

[Rowland]

Because you have to know when its not being done right

If you mean in farming most farmers know how things are done often there’s several different ways of doing it non right non wrong.

A head chef doesn’t peel spuds but they’ll know if it’s not right.


I employ several different professionals to jobs for me that I can’t do . Should I be able to do them .

 

[D14]

Starts 7.30. Don't want to appear heavy handed. If there's work there why not carry on til 6? I pay a decent wage. If he wants to go home at 4, fine,
All I'm asking is how many hours do people work this time of year.

Have a chat with him. He might have some problems outside of work which you could help to resolve. This would build your relationship with him and in the long run he'll become a better work colleague for you. As for hours worked during slack times we always say as long as the work is done then we are not fussed on the work times as long as we know in advance. Even during busy times we now tend to down sticks at 10pm and then back in again for 7.30am. I'd rather them do that for a straight 6 weeks during harvest than doing silly hours sporadically and getting tired and complacent.

 

[glasshouse]

If you mean in farming most farmers know how things are done often there’s several different ways of doing it non right non wrong.

A head chef doesn’t peel spuds but they’ll know if it’s not right.


I employ several different professionals to jobs for me that I can’t do . Should I be able to do them .

Not if you are employing professionals or a manager to oversee

 

[Derrick Hughes]

If you mean in farming most farmers know how things are done often there’s several different ways of doing it non right non wrong.

A head chef doesn’t peel spuds but they’ll know if it’s not right.


I employ several different professionals to jobs for me that I can’t do . Should I be able to do them .

I would hate to work for a man who knows everything

 

[oldoaktree]

Not if you are employing professionals or a manager to oversee

But how do you know that they are doing the job right ?