Pieces_of_Eight
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You often don't.
You just trust their professional expertise e.g. accountant, lawyer, vet etc
What hours do you expect someone to work?
- Thread starter Neddy flanders
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You often don't.
You just trust their professional expertise e.g. accountant, lawyer, vet etc
glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
You dont
Rowland
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- Location
- Northeast England
That’s the point you trust and expect someone you employ to do the job right that you are paying them to do you don’t need to know how to do everything.
If someone is doing a bad job for you it soon becomes obvious.
An employer doesn’t need to be able to do all the jobs he/she employs and expects hers/his staff to do .
Lead by example by running and managing a successful business with good pay and working conditions for employees.
- Location
- Cumbria
Good God, the more I read this thread, the more it becomes apparent why the farming industry struggles to employ and retain staff.
Comments like: "If your an employee you should expect to do what’s ask of you." and "The right way is how the boss wants it done " in addition to "But how do you know that they are doing the job right" indicates how out of touch some are in the protocols involved with modern staff employment.
When employing anyone to carry out a job/task or multi task, these should be listed and the necessary skills required to complete those tasks be part of the selection criteria.
If there is a way " the boss wants it done " this should be highlighted to the employee, and the training provided.
If you expect an employee "to do what's ask of you" there should be a clear clause within the contract of employment that states this expectation, to avoid conflict.
As for "But how do you know that they are doing the job right" its simple really, you ensure they have the skills and experience, then leave them alone to get on with it.
As people, every employee should be treated as an equal, not some subordinate servant. Everything should be measured on job performance and the procedures expected relative to that employed position.
People respond to positive motivation, not bollocking's and fear, if someone does not carry out a task correctly it is usually because no training has been provided.
The most successful businesses employ the best people, train them, motivate them and pay them well.
Any potential employee applies for the position that is advertised, which suits his/her skills such as Sprayer Operator, Dairyman, Lambing assistant.
They should expect a clear and detailed description of what that job entails which includes any admin, working hours, holidays etc, etc ,etc...........
A contract should be in place than covers all those items, as well as any rules they should follow and any employers expectations.
Do the job right and we will get the right people............
Comments like: "If your an employee you should expect to do what’s ask of you." and "The right way is how the boss wants it done " in addition to "But how do you know that they are doing the job right" indicates how out of touch some are in the protocols involved with modern staff employment.
When employing anyone to carry out a job/task or multi task, these should be listed and the necessary skills required to complete those tasks be part of the selection criteria.
If there is a way " the boss wants it done " this should be highlighted to the employee, and the training provided.
If you expect an employee "to do what's ask of you" there should be a clear clause within the contract of employment that states this expectation, to avoid conflict.
As for "But how do you know that they are doing the job right" its simple really, you ensure they have the skills and experience, then leave them alone to get on with it.
As people, every employee should be treated as an equal, not some subordinate servant. Everything should be measured on job performance and the procedures expected relative to that employed position.
People respond to positive motivation, not bollocking's and fear, if someone does not carry out a task correctly it is usually because no training has been provided.
The most successful businesses employ the best people, train them, motivate them and pay them well.
Any potential employee applies for the position that is advertised, which suits his/her skills such as Sprayer Operator, Dairyman, Lambing assistant.
They should expect a clear and detailed description of what that job entails which includes any admin, working hours, holidays etc, etc ,etc...........
A contract should be in place than covers all those items, as well as any rules they should follow and any employers expectations.
Do the job right and we will get the right people............
oldoaktree
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- Location
- County Durham
You do ! Judge the results and out come of there work .
Vet - Animals keep dieing or not
Mechanic- machinery keeps having same faults or are fixed
Accountant- large tax bills or small ones
Electrician- lights don’t switch on or do .
Sprayerman- weeds don’t die or do
Combine driver - green stripes appear in fields or sheds full of grain.
Sh!t shoveler - sh!t all shovelled or sh!t not shovelled .
You don’t need to be a Genius to figure it out .
- Location
- Ceredigion
I suppose if you employ block heads you would have to be on your guard
holywell farmer
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- Location
- holywell, north wales
Most times get good welfare
- Location
- North West Wales
I’ve always followed these threads when they pop up but don’t contribute. Been there done that with the silly hours and forced to work Saturdays etc. Everyone needs a life outside work to relax, socialise, watch TV, paint the bathroom, cut the grass, wash the car, have a BBQ, go to the pub etc!!!!! Why the ag industry feels they need to be different to all other industries makes no sense.
I now work a 37hr week Monday to Friday, one maybe two Saturdays a year, maybe a Sunday once in blue moon and all these will be planned in September for following 12 months. 32 days holidays plus B/H and can accumulate about 5 days TOIL but time to take them ate dictated. Every evening and weekend I can be out doing thinks around the place or some work inside the house, I would never go back to more hours as there’s so much other things to do but everyone to their own but you can’t expect everyone to work the same as yourself. How nany on here can say that they cut the grass, paint the house, wash the car, fill washing machine, clothes on line, prepare meals etc etc all AFTER finishing your days work?
I now work a 37hr week Monday to Friday, one maybe two Saturdays a year, maybe a Sunday once in blue moon and all these will be planned in September for following 12 months. 32 days holidays plus B/H and can accumulate about 5 days TOIL but time to take them ate dictated. Every evening and weekend I can be out doing thinks around the place or some work inside the house, I would never go back to more hours as there’s so much other things to do but everyone to their own but you can’t expect everyone to work the same as yourself. How nany on here can say that they cut the grass, paint the house, wash the car, fill washing machine, clothes on line, prepare meals etc etc all AFTER finishing your days work?
glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
The best experts on employment usually have never employed anyone.
glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
farmers dont always own land
glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
in fact they own less every day
- Location
- Bedfordshire
Its all about being fair. My chap had an early knock off yesterday, a long early lunch today to do an errand and then worked late to finish spraying. I cleared up boxes etc to help, he appreciated that, and I have offered him overtime over the W/E if he wants some, as he wants the money. We're all happy.
- Location
- Fife
Where was the mention of land in the quoted post?
glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
Capital gain only comes from land.
Dead Rabbits
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- Location
- 'Merica
Indeed, and many employers operate this way. Not the kind that I want to work for though
Dead Rabbits
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- Location
- 'Merica
I guess I was assuming that we were talking about employees in an ag situation.
My wife took a supermarket job part time a few years ago (24 hour store), started on the tills and then became supervisor.
Supermarket policy was set hourly rate for all till workers.
She said how unjust it was, that the conscientious hard workers were paid the same rate as the lazy work shy in the same role.
You cannot motivate someone to do a job better, that they don't want to do in the first place.
In general within farming, employees will be known personally by the owner/manager or "boss".
They will know who is a worker and who is a sherker.
Look after good staff, treat them fair and pay them well.
Sadly we all know they are getting harder to find.
Supermarket policy was set hourly rate for all till workers.
She said how unjust it was, that the conscientious hard workers were paid the same rate as the lazy work shy in the same role.
You cannot motivate someone to do a job better, that they don't want to do in the first place.
In general within farming, employees will be known personally by the owner/manager or "boss".
They will know who is a worker and who is a sherker.
Look after good staff, treat them fair and pay them well.
Sadly we all know they are getting harder to find.
oldoaktree
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- Location
- County Durham
How does the the employee know what to do if his employer doesn’t tell him what to do !
Like he says there’s ways of doing that!
Do you just do whatever you want?