what to charge for b+b cattle

[agcon1]

looking at having some cattle from a neighbouring farmer, we've got the shed. the straw. and crimp barley to feed them...hes bringing his own silage...we will feed them and bed them daily, hell come and check on them from time to time.....what and how would be a fair way of charging?....., by the way, were all arable and have saved some straw ready for doing this and we will muck out and spread muck on our own land

 

[dinderleat]

£1 a week per animal then work out hourly rate for work plus cost of straw and crimp barley would be fairest

 

[agcon1]

thats simple enough yes. but straw is 100 ton....then weve got to muck out and keep muck and spread it, so is the fairest way to bill him for mucking out then agree a value of the muck???...we will spread muck at our expense....Am I thinking right??

 

[d williams]

£1 a week per animal then work out hourly rate for work plus cost of straw and crimp barley would be fairest

Surely you mean a £1/day plus costs??

 

[ridger]

Surely you mean a £1/day plus costs??

Wouldnt be any money for the cattle owner at that, be far better buying your own cattle to be honest

 

[d williams]

Wouldnt be any money for the cattle owner at that, be far better buying your own cattle to be honest

i wouldn’t worry to much about his business Im only Concerned about my own

 

[Werzle]

looking at having some cattle from a neighbouring farmer, we've got the shed. the straw. and crimp barley to feed them...hes bringing his own silage...we will feed them and bed them daily, hell come and check on them from time to time.....what and how would be a fair way of charging?....., by the way, were all arable and have saved some straw ready for doing this and we will muck out and spread muck on our own land

Tack sheep are 50p/wk and you havent got to do anything, if i was you i would want £1.90+ p/day ,p/beast all in, you have the muck and the cost of cleaning out and spreading.

 

[ridger]

i wouldn’t worry to much about his business Im only Concerned about my own

And that is exactly the problem in our industry. Live and let live

 

[milkloss]

thats simple enough yes. but straw is 100 ton....then weve got to muck out and keep muck and spread it, so is the fairest way to bill him for mucking out then agree a value of the muck???...we will spread muck at our expense....Am I thinking right??

But you are using his animals with his silage to get this 'precious' muck.......... how much are you paying him?

 

[johnspeehs]

Just work out a price for the straw and barley they use for a month and go from there

 

[Fat Lamb]

thats simple enough yes. but straw is 100 ton....then weve got to muck out and keep muck and spread it, so is the fairest way to bill him for mucking out then agree a value of the muck???...we will spread muck at our expense....Am I thinking right??

Put the straw in at half-price ex-farm and you keep the muck. Straight forward and simple, both parties know where they stand.

 

[puppet]

£1 a week per animal then work out hourly rate for work plus cost of straw and crimp barley would be fairest

I was charging that in 2000.
You have a shed which is depreciating, gates which will be bent and water bills. You need to add VAT to that figure. Work out how long it takes to feed them and your hourly rate. Agree how much straw and barley and bill per ton. The muck is a bonus.
My feeling is that those who rent wintering get a shock when shown the calculations.

 

[agcon1]

its a difficult year to be doing it because of the value of straw....muck is worth the same per ton this year as it was last year....give or take a quid for price of p and k

 

[Hfd Cattle]

I was getting £7 a week and all Fodder / bedding delivered in to farm by cattle owner . For £7 per head per week I fed and bedded down supplied the water and had the muck . That was 11 yrs ago and had that running for 4 yrs . Both parties happy . The job only stopped cos I increased my own cattle but I often wonder which was the better .

 

[agcon1]

But you are using his animals with his silage to get this 'precious' muck.......... how much are you paying him?

and he is using MY precious straw for his animals to sh!t on!!!!......i could have a waggon in the yard at 8 in the morning and from the warmth of my fork truck could have it all gone by dinner and cash in the bank..... but that not what i want to do, but i dont want to sell myself short.....or rip my neighbour off either..... neither of us have done this before so just looking how others do it so its mutually beneficial.... i know its easy to just charge everything each way.... but theres a value to the muck that goes beyond p and k value, organic matter, ive yet to meet somebody who can put a financial value on this

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Tack sheep are 50p/wk and you havent got to do anything, if i was you i would want £1.90+ p/day ,p/beast all in, you have the muck and the cost of cleaning out and spreading.

50p/ week seems a bit low to me for tack sheep . Perhaps I'm lucky but I get way more than that .

 

[T7.wab]

£1 a week per animal then work out hourly rate for work plus cost of straw and crimp barley would be fairest

You must be the neighbour hes talking bout

 

[milkloss]

and he is using MY precious straw for his animals to sh!t on!!!!......i could have a waggon in the yard at 8 in the morning and from the warmth of my fork truck could have it all gone by dinner and cash in the bank..... but that not what i want to do, but i dont want to sell myself short.....or rip my neighbour off either..... neither of us have done this before so just looking how others do it so its mutually beneficial.... i know its easy to just charge everything each way.... but theres a value to the muck that goes beyond p and k value, organic matter, ive yet to meet somebody who can put a financial value on this

guess I should have found a tongue-in-cheek smiley for my post

 

[d-wales]

and he is using MY precious straw for his animals to sh!t on!!!!......i could have a waggon in the yard at 8 in the morning and from the warmth of my fork truck could have it all gone by dinner and cash in the bank..... but that not what i want to do, but i dont want to sell myself short.....or rip my neighbour off either..... neither of us have done this before so just looking how others do it so its mutually beneficial.... i know its easy to just charge everything each way.... but theres a value to the muck that goes beyond p and k value, organic matter, ive yet to meet somebody who can put a financial value on this

Ask him how much straw he wants to use and how much barley. Then just agree the market value of that.

We were charging £1 a day, a few years back, but also put a water meter on the shed so we knew exactly what that cost and billed for it.

The muck left was an added bonus.

 

[ollie989898]

The value of the muck is irrelevant, you are donating your time, straw, crimp barley and shed.