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Makes no difference here, 1984/5 has been and gone years ago.If the rest of the world removed their subsidies at the same time, I'd be all for it!
Makes no difference here, 1984/5 has been and gone years ago.If the rest of the world removed their subsidies at the same time, I'd be all for it!
Nòt sure about that I think you will find that the sub is used to justify the store price atmTo get back to what i was saying about scale earlier if you fatten 500 head of cattle the sub will be of less relevance to you than if you fatten 50
I do not understand the differences for those involved in beef and sheep, particularly those in the uplands but that kind of thing is all the rage in NZ. I just don't see what they are doing as being that revolutionary. They grow grass, fatten stuff and flog it with minimal fuss. It's not something we can't copy surely.
Really? The only time that food security has been an issue in recent history to my mind has been in wars of national survival, do you envisage one occurring in the near future?
Nòt sure about that I think you will find that the sub is used to justify the store price atm
What?? You think the Conservatives are in favour of the current sub system?? They are pro free market. I do hope you're not relying on them to deliver your free money!!
The point I was making was that there is no party in the UK supporting the current system. Not one. So the current sub system will end. No ifs or buts. Best thing you can do is get acquainted with Excel and work out how you can farm without the taxpayer. Or you could just keep flogging a dead horse on here.
possible, what I do envisage is some big weather events soon affecting wheat supply we are due one and also a food shortage in the near future as the population is ever growing
+1Im not against support or education in agriculture, im just against massive, indiscriminate support for business.
Ive over 500 head and less than 30k, as every year passes it becomes less important which pleases me immensely.Who said anything about sucklers? I know of people fattening 500 head of cattle with under 30k of subs, i know of farmers fattening 50 on similar sized sub, who will be more affected?
we are better of as a country buying food from this country, once money goes out of the country it don't come back in a hurryIn which case we are surely much better importing as we can access a global market, which is much less likely to be wholly effected, compared to the UK which is a small country, which is much more likely to see total crop loss in such a situation.
you will lose more than me if subs go, I get a part share of 1/4 of thatIve over 500 head and less than 30k, as every year passes it becomes less important which pleases me immensely.
sh!t load of them up here on over 100k one in million bracket, im not worried in the slightest.you will lose more than me if subs go, I get a part share of 1/4 of that
So subsidy to buy that new tractor every 3 years or 2500-3000 hours? ffs you should be able to run them for at least a minimum of 20,000 hours+.
I doubt you will have 50 sucklers on the area of land which will carry 500 though ffs.
Imagine if we could not import Landrovers into NZ or the UK could not export Landrovers out of the UK?Don't forget, by not putting on much fert, the price is effectively about half what it was back in the days of subsidy here. Taking all things like inflation into account. Have just been reading up on 1981s books on the family place and a lot of their costs were way higher than in latter years. IF (big if) your subs are cut, then most of the essential costs you have now, will be reduced by an amount to compensate. Remember that supply and demand thing goes both ways!
?? ive seen 400 acre fields in oz destroyed with frost, ive never had a total crop loss situation here I think you are talking nonsense nowIn which case we are surely much better importing as we can access a global market, which is much less likely to be wholly effected, compared to the UK which is a small country, which is much more likely to see total crop loss in such a situation.
I would just consult the till receipts that my wife brings back from the shops. As she has just done.Answer this question seriously, would you run down to your local shops and price everything just to prove a point on an internet forum???
?? ive seen 400 acre fields in oz destroyed with frost, ive never had a total crop loss situation here I think you are talking nonsense now