wuddy
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I still can’t believe that there are no official results from yesterday online not even the list of ten for plough off!
Who's at the national this year ?
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rusty nuts
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2019 world's still a blank result, think judges were pricked to get the results they wanted
Thanks
rusty nuts
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Do you mean old farts (blind)
No blinkered.
Fergie Ploughman
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Many thanks...
rusty nuts
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No they stayed in the dry and marked the score sheets from the tent
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‘Scuse me for sayin’ was not there so in all fairness it’s only heresay - but heresay straight from several ‘osses mouths’ that were and were most put out in the Classic Class...not wishing to take anything from Jon Cole because he is a very good ploughman....but....
The general consensus was that Mike Holloway was abused horrendously on Saturday, as was Stuart Burden abused in a similar manner on Sunday.
As an outsider and social commentator I can’t help but be morally offended at the correlation of Hereford judges and results in favour of Hereford ploughmen. This is not a new phenomenon and was patently abundant in Marden last I ploughed there. I know ‘cos Iwas there. I know ‘cos I was serially abused by one man in particular.
What’s more of a concern is that the same Hereford presence is pernicious in both the higher eschelons of the SOP and at judging seminars.
Concern in the first instance now that whilst the other vintage classes have 4 judges, the crunch times in the Classic Class only have 2 judges with either a Hereford presence of 50 or 100%. No excuse this year that there were insufficient judges as two good judges failed to make the cut.
Could be a double whammy here in that they could have run out of scoresheets
double whammy that the printer must have run out of ink at the same time.
Try as I might I can’t rid myself of the recurring question ‘have these people no shame?
Wash your mouth out Wuddy. What are you saying hardly fair comment you fellows having the benefit and capability of Jane Macdowall
‘Scuse me for sayin’ was not there so in all fairness it’s only heresay - but heresay straight from several ‘osses mouths’ that were and were most put out in the Classic Class...not wishing to take anything from Jon Cole because he is a very good ploughman....but....
The general consensus was that Mike Holloway was abused horrendously on Saturday, as was Stuart Burden abused in a similar manner on Sunday.
As an outsider and social commentator I can’t help but be morally offended at the correlation of Hereford judges and results in favour of Hereford ploughmen. This is not a new phenomenon and was patently abundant in Marden last I ploughed there. I know ‘cos Iwas there. I know ‘cos I was serially abused by one man in particular.
What’s more of a concern is that the same Hereford presence is pernicious in both the higher eschelons of the SOP and at judging seminars.
Concern in the first instance now that whilst the other vintage classes have 4 judges, the crunch times in the Classic Class only have 2 judges with either a Hereford presence of 50 or 100%. No excuse this year that there were insufficient judges as two good judges failed to make the cut.
Could be a double whammy here in that they could have run out of scoresheets
double whammy that the printer must have run out of ink at the same time.Try as I might I can’t rid myself of the recurring question ‘have these people no shame?
Wash your mouth out Wuddy. What are you saying
hardly fair comment you fellows having the benefit and capability of Jane Macdowall For what it is worth I was there both days. A great event and a terrible shame about the weather for all involved. I felt for the trailing men in particular who were struggling on Sunday in the conditions.
Thought the standard of vintage and classic mounted truly excellent throughout. I think the results in the vintage were about right and I picked the first and second place men out both days as standouts. Totally accept that there is an element of personal preference and the eye of the beholder.
As a relative novice I thought perhaps some of the world's tyke was not the usual standard but perhaps that was the conditions and in any case I am still in awe and can only aspire to that standard.
As a relative newcomer I am very pleased to have gone and I am grateful to the organisers landowner etc without which such a spectacle could not exist.
Regarding the results and the judging I can sympathise to an extent but in the end the best thing is to let results do the talking. If your plot stands out the judge has no choice. I am not yet in this league so I keep my own standards and if I meet them I go home happy......... Perhaps many oy yesterday's top men quietly do the same.
As I say I learned a lot and thanks to all. I also learn a lot on here but please keep the threads positive. Newcomers need encouragement if there is to be a future in match ploughing
Thought the standard of vintage and classic mounted truly excellent throughout. I think the results in the vintage were about right and I picked the first and second place men out both days as standouts. Totally accept that there is an element of personal preference and the eye of the beholder.
As a relative novice I thought perhaps some of the world's tyke was not the usual standard but perhaps that was the conditions and in any case I am still in awe and can only aspire to that standard.
As a relative newcomer I am very pleased to have gone and I am grateful to the organisers landowner etc without which such a spectacle could not exist.
Regarding the results and the judging I can sympathise to an extent but in the end the best thing is to let results do the talking. If your plot stands out the judge has no choice. I am not yet in this league so I keep my own standards and if I meet them I go home happy......... Perhaps many oy yesterday's top men quietly do the same.
As I say I learned a lot and thanks to all. I also learn a lot on here but please keep the threads positive. Newcomers need encouragement if there is to be a future in match ploughing
rusty nuts
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Fact all the best world style ploughs where in sheds at home . With all the ploughmen pee'd of with the national.
I confess to being past my best but for a whole raft of reasons still act as my own judge and try to improve. Unfortunately I feel that standards are starting to fall in my part of the world, hardly anybody travels outside the county for a variety of reasons and the Nationals hold little or no attraction. Youngsters are not coming into the sport and the local society are doing nothing to improve standards and offer instruction. Local match entries in East Anglia appear to be declining fast, perhaps down 40% in the last five years, mainly because people of high standard are not travelling into the county to compete. Next week is our regional vintage qualifier for the 2019 Nationals and I would be surprised to see more than one aspiring qualifier from within Norfolk across the vintage classes and maybe the odd outsider looking for a walkover.
The people who put Norfolk on the map some twelve years ago when our local society was formed have been replaced by people with no ambition and sometimes despise those who wish to rise above mediocrity.
A very well thought out post well wrtten. However it does not change things. Many good men have walked away - not from ploughing but from the National setup. They are still there in abundance at grass roots level, most of them giving newcomers a helping hand.
We all know we cant all be right 100% of the time but the system is wide open to abuse by those amongst us maybe not just as adroit as they ought to be. Take a good look at the Classic Class and listen to what most of the guys in there have to say. They cant all be wrong!
The scoresheet and rules at present are wide open to abuse and are serially abused by some of those in the higher eschelons of the SOP who should know better.
I know cos I was there!
It's a shame so many feel that way. I really hope something can be done to change that.
Glad to hear grass roots are strong. I have found that to be the case and appreciate all the help and advice offered locally
Five directors stood up and tried to change things. They were chucked out as directors and then as members by a society that is manipulated from the top. How do you change that? Many have lived in hopes that change is possible but I am afraid that there is no clear sign that this is ever going to happen. As a past chairman said "There will be no change".
Locally and on here- some good and varied responses - most with the benefit of experience. All you need to do is ask.
Make of it what you will but never loose sight of the fact that most of us with adverse opinion were once as you are now (‘and I know that it’s not easy’ as Cat Stevens once said). We all thought nah it can’t be that bad for a good few years before reality kicked in. By and large most punters are happy just baa baaing away as they do. It’s the winners in the top 5 - 10% plus a few others sharp enough to see through the subterfuge where the problem lies. They are the ones shafted more often than not. The fact of the matter is like it or not the SOP is not a free mans society but a family firm and that’s where the problem lies. Good capable men have petitioned for change which will never be allowed to happen.
But then you don’t need me to tell you that. You might well think I am old and embittered. I might well be old and embittered. Stand up for yoursen and make your own mind up. But don’t be surprised in a few years time if you come down on this side o’t fence.
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