Winter Beans and Soya Beans

[Against_the_grain]

We grow Winter Beans in the rotation and get on well with them. Obviously we try not to grow them more than 1 year in 6, so if we were to look at introducing Soya beans, would this then be counted as a winter bean crop, in terms of rotation? and likewise need a similar gap, or are they a different crop enough, that they wont affect the winter bean rotation and mean we can still grow them 1 in 6, with the soya fitting in as well?
@Soya UK

 

[Badshot]

You actually want to grow something that's harvested in October after this autumns weather so far?

 

[Brisel]

My neighbour's soya might not be harvested in October... Great looking crop though. The gross margin from soya looks closer to that of linseed rather than beans, though from recent experience of most UK soya growers, the gross margins were closer to a written off osr crop instead.

 

[Barry]

Consistency is the big issue with Soya, even in 2018 when we thought we would have a great year very few of the varieties we trialled delivered a good yield and that includes those in the market currently.

And with Soya we still have the problem that we don't have a processing plant in the UK and are unlikely to get one.

Can't answer the question on rotation as I have not come across anyone using them in a rotation with beans, but certainly they would be regarded as break in the same way as winter beans. I have seen comments about some pests but not sure if nematodes are common pests to both crops.

 

[snarling bee]

There is no similarity between the 2 crops. You could grow them easily in the same rotation. Blackgrass will grow in both however.

 

[Simon Chiles]

We grow Winter Beans in the rotation and get on well with them. Obviously we try not to grow them more than 1 year in 6, so if we were to look at introducing Soya beans, would this then be counted as a winter bean crop, in terms of rotation? and likewise need a similar gap, or are they a different crop enough, that they wont affect the winter bean rotation and mean we can still grow them 1 in 6, with the soya fitting in as well?
@Soya UK

They are completely different in agronomic terms and therefore could be grown easily in your rotation. Despite other comments on here there is a demand for UK produced Soya and it is all utilised in this country, none of it is exported. Whilst I don’t envy anyone with a crop yet to harvest I must say that in this situation I’d rather have soya yet to do than linseed.

 

[Two Tone]

We grow Winter Beans in the rotation and get on well with them. Obviously we try not to grow them more than 1 year in 6, so if we were to look at introducing Soya beans, would this then be counted as a winter bean crop, in terms of rotation? and likewise need a similar gap, or are they a different crop enough, that they wont affect the winter bean rotation and mean we can still grow them 1 in 6, with the soya fitting in as well?
@Soya UK

They are 2 completely different crops. Soya (being only a late Spring drilled) crop is actually classed as an Oilseed.
You are in just about the only part of the Country that I’d want to risk growing them.

 

[Against_the_grain]

Thanks for the replies. Whilst I don't enjoy the thought of an October harvest we are in a very early part of the county. As Oilseed Rape is no longer a viable crop since the Neo-nic ban we are trying to spread the risk of the other (relatively poor) break crop options we have.
Do we think under WTO tariff terms we would be flooded with US Soybeans?

 

[Cowcorn]

You actually want to grow something that's harvested in October after this autumns weather so far?

You beat me to it !! I have spring beans and spring rape still to cut . The sheen is long gone.off these late, late spring break crops .

 

[yellow belly]

Thanks for the replies. Whilst I don't enjoy the thought of an October harvest we are in a very early part of the county. As Oilseed Rape is no longer a viable crop since the Neo-nic ban we are trying to spread the risk of the other (relatively poor) break crop options we have.
Do we think under WTO tariff terms we would be flooded with US Soybeans?

currently soya beans have no import duty so brexit makes no difference to the crop price

only viable currently in the south on early land
with continuing variety development they may eventually become a viable crop it took a lot of development to get rape and maize viable in the uk
climate change will/may also help if it keeps getting warmer