World market are we kidding ourselves???

[rob1]

it doesnt get much fairer than payment per acre of which ours is one of the lowest

the figures in the chart give no clue as to payment per acre, they show the payment percentage of gross income, I have bigger things to concern myself with than looking up what some other countries pay per acre which in itself is irrelevant because ten pounds an acre here is peanuts but in india its a fortune, worry more about making a living from your farm without subs, if you then get something look on that as a bonus, if you cant then sell up as you obviously cant compete, plenty can and will, the world doesnt owe us a living any more than steel workers or miners, people dont give a sh!t about food security so dont think that concern will give you a living

 

[digger64]

uve made it all sound so simple, the problem is with most consumers is the buy on price and beef in scotland is far more expensive to produce that countries with warmer climates i.e argentina, brazil and NZ added to that the highly subsidised irish beef is constantly flooding our market i think its you that needs to wake up get some practical experience of running a farming business in Scotland at current prices without subs before commenting further

Good advice from a man who doesnt know what fixed costs are .

 

[caveman]

uve made it all sound so simple, the problem is with most consumers is the buy on price and beef in scotland is far more expensive to produce that countries with warmer climates i.e argentina, brazil and NZ added to that the highly subsidised irish beef is constantly flooding our market i think its you that needs to wake up get some practical experience of running a farming business in Scotland at current prices without subs before commenting further

Maybe you best go farming in one of those low cost havens then?

 

[Err0l]

in certain situations, scale is a massive problem to us on a world market level because nobody in the uk has it

What fixed cost would you like to spread over more cows/ hectares? If you want to reduce input prices join a buying group or buy online.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

My kids always bleat about how the other one gets something more than they do but I just put it down to them being children and not grown up to either appreciate what they have or seeing what is really important in life.

I wonder what the 'welfare' argument is for breeding animals which need constant human intervention in order to survive in a mild climate. Seems risky and expensive to me.

Sounds like poor welfare practice to me!!

 

[M-J-G]

i mean the world cereal price is artificially low as sub worldwide leads to overproduction, welfare standards are certainly poorer in nz if you look at labour units per ewe its clear you cant look after such a huge number in the same way we can here with our smaller flocks im told of dead animals just lying around

Yeah the smaller flocks and herds are always better looked after than the larger ones, and I've never seen any half rotten sheep or calves on a UK farm
Who are you hoping to kid?

 

[Pasty]

Yeah the smaller flocks and herds are always better looked after than the larger ones, and I've never seen any half rotten sheep or calves on a UK farm
Who are you hoping to kid?

I'm still picking up the bones from a previous grazier. Also a few suspicious looking dents in the ground around the place. Plus we sold a bit and the guy who bought it dug up countless bin bags of bones while setting out his small holding. Big, big farmer had it before him for many years.

 

[Fossil]

It shows japan understands the importance of its own producers though, with nz their exchange rate is very favourable for export, if the pound were ever to be as weak as the NZ dollar the uk would be in a very bad way

How are you judging the respective currency strength?

 

[Fossil]

Everyone knows real world market prices are massive outdoor feedlot systems of thousands of cattle and black sea wheat producers some farming 100,000 acres

Now you know what the hundred acre guy thinks when he looks at your thousand acres....

 

[FonterraFarmer]

How are you judging the respective currency strength?

If you look at the exhange rate between the Uk and NZ over the last 25 years, the UK rate can only be viewed as.......shite, but it was good for me when I returned home.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Good advice from a man who doesnt know what fixed costs are .

You've made it sound so simple!!


You just don't get it, do you.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Now you know what the hundred acre guy thinks when he looks at your thousand acres....

With pity?

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Yeah the smaller flocks and herds are always better looked after than the larger ones, and I've never seen any half rotten sheep or calves on a UK farm
Who are you hoping to kid?

Yes, anyone know what happened to the other lynx at Borth zoo?
Are they in jail yet?

 

[Chae1]

remember of the EU scotland is one of the lowest

This is a fact and the EU gave Westminster £160m convergence money to compensate for this.

They just decided to keep it though.

https://www.fginsight.com/news/news...ss-party-support-in-convergence-wrangle-41584

 

[caveman]

With pity?

Nah.
He thinks we all end up in roughly the same sized box or urn.

 

[Fossil]

it doesnt get much fairer than payment per acre of which ours is one of the lowest

What’s fair about paying wealthier people the most?

 

[Kiwi Pete]

When you study addictions, commonly people ask: "why the addiction?"
Whereas to beat it, you have to ask: "why the pain?"

Welfare is a classic example of the perpetual motion machine in action.

Supposedly it's to help folks "compete" with producers with a COP half as much...
The opposite is true.
It's to create dependency and thus control those who receive it.

Wonder if it takes 62 pages to cut to the chase that it's all about Cost Of Production, this time.....

 

[Timmer]

Personally I get annoyed with people constantly using NZ as an example of how to go with zero subsidies. I have spent a lot of time working in NZ in agriculture and many of the methods of which they have become more efficient would never be allowed in the UK. For example; I already direct drill etc so physically on the farm if I was going to become more efficient with my arable production I would want to enlarge field sizes by removing hedges. Any copse of trees or wood on the farm would be cleared, drained and used as arable. My very steep grassland which is not currently fertilised or sprayed would be bought back into production and let as intensive large scale dairy grazing be it grass/kale. So the list goes on....

What would Mr and Mrs British Public have to say about my improvements? NZ is a fantastic country with a population and government that largely supports its agriculture. I can't say the same for here. [emoji849]

 

[digger64]

Personally I get annoyed with people constantly using NZ as an example of how to go with zero subsidies. I have spent a lot of time working in NZ in agriculture and many of the methods of which they have become more efficient would never be allowed in the UK. For example; I already direct drill etc so physically on the farm if I was going to become more efficient with my arable production I would want to enlarge field sizes by removing hedges. Any copse of trees or wood on the farm would be cleared, drained and used as arable. My very steep grassland which is not currently fertilised or sprayed would be bought back into production and let as intensive large scale dairy grazing be it grass/kale. So the list goes on....

What would Mr and Mrs British Public have to say about my improvements? NZ is a fantastic country with a population and government that largely supports its agriculture. I can't say the same for here. [emoji849]

Not much if their mouth was full , but squeal like hell if they realised how much they where spending at the moment to get nothing and they where hungry

 

[kiwi pom]

@Bossfarmer How many of these countries you're expert in have you visited?