Would anybody consider planting trees on their land?

[Sid]

most trees will live longer than me, when they die you plant new ones ........... much like crops

but i actually plan to make the money selling the sequestration my farming system provides and there is a market willing to pay for that right now

How much carbon did the range rover sequest over its ownership? Or is that now water under the bridge?

Your electric car , are you using taxpayer subsidised nuclear produced electricity? Or relying taxpayer subsidised green energy?

 

[Sid]

if you reaf my posts this is nothing to do with carbon footprint

are you selling your carbon sequestration capacity then ?

there are buyers right now

im not going to explain the details of their standards and schenes for you though, I spent an hour last week having thst explained to me

if you have sequestration to sell get in touch witn a buyer or broker and ask them to explain the process?

Didn't ask about the standard or schemes, I asked who you will pay if you have a year when you dont sequest any carbon? Simple question.

 

[Sid]

The public think it will be ok to cover the UK in tress then buy the guilt laden food from abroad.

I dont really care if they pay me to farm something with a value whether that be food or carbon.

The interesting thing is how much we have given away over the years!

 

[Right-arm fast]

Grassland and grazing livestock are the best tool this planet has!

And sheep are probably top of that 'green' tree - 1kg of wool grown is 1.8kg of captured carbon - it's locked away for the life of the wool carpet, clothing, insulation etc

this is becoming a very interesting thread with the posts about carbon capture by various different methods.

 

[Clive]

How much carbon did the range rover sequest over its ownership? Or is that now water under the bridge?

Your electric car , are you using taxpayer subsidised nuclear produced electricity? Or relying taxpayer subsidised green energy?

i don’t care Sid, and im not sure why you do. quite so much ?

i run a business and have new product to sell ........... so i WILL sell it to the highest bidder

its THAT simple

right, Enough responding to a troll on a nuclear powered internet ! I’m off to do more fun things like read my kids a bedtime story (nuclear powered kindle) , have a shower (gas powered ! and watch Top grer on a nuclear powered TV in my gas heated house whilst my car charges on yet more nuclear power in the garage ... ....... Goodnight

 

[Sid]

i don’t care Sid, and im not sure why you do. quite so much ?

i run a business and have new product to sell ........... so i WILL sell it to the highest bidder

its THAT simple

right, Enough responding to a troll on a nuclear powered internet ! I’m off to do more fun things like read my kids a bedtime story (nuclear powerec kindle) , have a shower (gas powered ! and watch Top grer on a Neickest powered TV .... ....... Goodnight

Ask a challenging question and you run away.

It's all ok while your raking it in sequesting carbon, but when your not it could bankrupt you! Be carful of the "holy grail"

You have to look at the whole picture, not just picking out the best bits and sweeping the nuclear powered car under the carpet

 

[Sid]

i run a business and have new product to sell ........... so i WILL sell it to the highest bidder

The fact is the highest bidder could be doing untold damage to the planet but it's all about the ££££££££

 

[lloyd]

i don’t care Sid, and im not sure why you do. quite so much ?

i run a business and have new product to sell ........... so i WILL sell it to the highest bidder

its THAT simple

right, Enough responding to a troll on a nuclear powered internet ! I’m off to do more fun things like read my kids a bedtime story (nuclear powered kindle) , have a shower (gas powered ! and watch Top grer on a nuclear powered TV in my gas heated house whilst my car charges on yet more nuclear power in the garage ... ....... Goodnight

Can I suggest reading them 'Lord of the rings ' ,you will be able to tell them about Treebeard and how he is the oldest living thing on middle earth but don't forget to add the bit about Carbon sequestration.

 

[Clive]

The fact is the highest bidder could be doing untold damage to the planet but it's all about the ££££££££

that’s a business Sid !

“welcome to the layer cake”

 

[Goweresque]

if a tree was worth £75/t per year i bet that would change our view ?

I think the figure is £75 per tonne of Carbon sequestered. Not per tonne of tree. And a UK native hardwood tree will sequester no more than 1 tonne of carbon over its entire life (say 100 years), possibly less. So the value per tree per year is about 75p. Now obviously one plants a lot of trees per hectare to start with, but plenty of those will have to be removed over time to allow the others to continue growing (and removing CO2 from the atmosphere) so the end state maybe 1 tree per 10mx10m plot, ie 100 trees per hectare will survive to 100 years old. So thats 100 tonnes of carbon sequestered in 100 years @£75/tonne = £7500/ha over 100 years, £75/ha/yr, or £30/acre/year. Not so enticing.......

The other thing is the timescales are way beyond what the human lifespan can cope with. Lets say British Airways contracts to pay £30/acre/yr for 1000 acres of trees to be planted and maintained for 100 years. Do they pay all the money up front? If not, what happens if they go bust after 10 years? Hardly any businesses around 100 years ago are still here today. The landowner then has trees he can't fell and no income. Equally if the landowner takes the money up front (£3m, nice little earner) what happens when he dies (as no adult alive today will be alive in 100 years time)? Why would anyone agree to inherit the forest if its just a money pit, needing spending on maintenance, but not allowed to fell it, and no income coming in?

 

[Clive]

I think the figure is £75 per tonne of Carbon sequestered. Not per tonne of tree. And a UK native hardwood tree will sequester no more than 1 tonne of carbon over its entire life (say 100 years), possibly less. So the value per tree per year is about 75p. Now obviously one plants a lot of trees per hectare to start with, but plenty of those will have to be removed over time to allow the others to continue growing (and removing CO2 from the atmosphere) so the end state maybe 1 tree per 10mx10m plot, ie 100 trees per hectare will survive to 100 years old. So thats 100 tonnes of carbon sequestered in 100 years @£75/tonne = £7500/ha over 100 years, £75/ha/yr, or £30/acre/year. Not so enticing.......

The other thing is the timescales are way beyond what the human lifespan can cope with. Lets say British Airways contracts to pay £30/acre/yr for 1000 acres of trees to be planted and maintained for 100 years. Do they pay all the money up front? If not, what happens if they go bust after 10 years? Hardly any businesses around 100 years ago are still here today. The landowner then has trees he can't fell and no income. Equally if the landowner takes the money up front (£3m, nice little earner) what happens when he dies (as no adult alive today will be alive in 100 years time)? Why would anyone agree to inherit the forest if its just a money pit, needing spending on maintenance, but not allowed to fell it, and no income coming in?

£75 / t wss the figure our chancellor suggested the tax payable on a tonne of carbon emissions would be

 

[Goweresque]

£75 / t wss the figure our chancellor suggested the tax payable on a tonne of carbon emissions would be

Exactly. So the emitters will pay no more than £75/tonne of carbon sequestered to you to sequester it. And trees are not that good at sequestering carbon, even if one ignores the fact that a tree doesn't last forever and will return its CO2 to the atmosphere eventually, when it dies and rots.

Landowners are not going to get rich out of this.......

 

[Clive]

Exactly. So the emitters will pay no more than £75/tonne of carbon sequestered to you to sequester it. And trees are not that good at sequestering carbon, even if one ignores the fact that a tree doesn't last forever and will return its CO2 to the atmosphere eventually, when it dies and rots.

Landowners are not going to get rich out of this.......

as i say current value of a no till system meeting standard is circa 27 euro / ha / yr ...... (real offer last week from a existing european scheme about to launch in the uk)

 

[Clive]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1315207103552905226

 

[Goweresque]

as i say current value of a no till system meeting standard is circa 27 euro / ha / yr ...... (real offer last week from a existing european scheme about to launch in the uk)

£10/acre then, at current exchange rates. Not exactly a kings ransom is it? And bound to come with more regulatory and bureaucratic requirements than you can shake a stick at.

 

[Sid]

as i say current value of a no till system meeting standard is circa 27 euro / ha / yr ...... (real offer last week from a existing european scheme about to launch in the uk)

What does a standard dose of glyphosate cost in terms of £/carbon per ha then?

 

[Clive]

£10/acre then, at current exchange rates. Not exactly a kings ransom is it? And bound to come with more regulatory and bureaucratic requirements than you can shake a stick at.

hence why i declined the offer
wait until a tac starts imo


howver even today it would still pay for a few Ryan air flights over a few thousad acres !

 

[Raider112]

most trees will live longer than me, when they die you plant new ones ........... much like crops

but i actually plan to make the money selling the sequestration my farming system provides and there is a market willing to pay for that right now

The NFU say we are going to be carbon neutral but how do we manage that if we sell our credits off to some dirty industry who then look better than we do?

 

[lloyd]

hence why i declined the offer
wait until a tac starts imo


howver even today it would still pay for a few Ryan air flights over a few thousad acres !

What would happen if glyphosphate got banned and you were forced
to get the plough out of the nettles?
Dont forget you would have signed the contract by then.

 

[JohnGalway]

All (commercial) trees must be felled... that captured carbon is then released.

The bloody things are going into biomass burners and power stations to be burned!!! Trees are a total fallacy

Trees will eventually release the carbon in the end alright. But.......... Consider their value on farms as ways to create microclimates and grow more grass, which if managed correctly can add carbon to the soil. Then there is their value in creating better habitat for biodiversity, again helping breakdown plant litter and incorporate it into the soil. I think trees, for what they cost vs what they yield for a farm are very valuable, and that's coming from an area where I'll be lucky to get "something" to live rather than muse over nut or valuable timber trees.