You’ve all got a COVID app on your phone now

[TheTallGuy]

Foind a flaw in the check in system had tea in local pub last night. Checked in realised you cant check out ,so if anyone came in after we left and had a positive test we would still be recorded as being a contact.

The "check in" is used purely for notifying you that you were at a venue where there's a risk that you might have come into contact with an infected person & effectively replaces the manual method of writing down personal details.

 

[Hindsight]

The "check in" is used purely for notifying you that you were at a venue where there's a risk that you might have come into contact with an infected person & effectively replaces the manual method of writing down personal details.

I get that but then I question what is the point? Say I was there at 3pm and a Covid positive test came in at 6pm. Can and how does the system deal with time differentials. What would happen to me? Contacted by test and trace. I haven't donwloaded the app. SO declare my interest.

 

[Exfarmer]

I get that but then I question what is the point? Say I was there at 3pm and a Covid positive test came in at 6pm. Can and how does the system deal with time differentials. What would happen to me? Contacted by test and trace. I haven't donwloaded the app. SO declare my interest.

As I said, it uses Blurtooth to detect if you have been close to that person, if you were not at the same time it will not register.
the check in simplifies the paperwork for the hostelry owner

 

[Hindsight]

As I said, it uses Blurtooth to detect if you have been close to that person, if you were not at the same time it will not register.
the check in simplifies the paperwork for the hostelry owner

Thank you I understand now. And can I understand that this is the Apple/Google system that is remote from Government, wheras the original government designed App held data centrally? If the former then how does the government track and trace get to know if my phone was within covid distance and time of another phone. Or does the government not get to know and the system is totally self policing? ( say phone as it is the phone and not the person if the phone is not on my person as it were) Fundamental questions which I ought to look up - but haven't. Cheers.

 

[TheTallGuy]

I get that but then I question what is the point? Say I was there at 3pm and a Covid positive test came in at 6pm. Can and how does the system deal with time differentials. What would happen to me? Contacted by test and trace. I haven't donwloaded the app. SO declare my interest.

Nothing would happen because the assumption is that you were only there for 90 minutes. If you were there within 90 minutes of someone who subsequently tested positive you would get an alert, but not told to self isolate.

Thank you I understand now. And can I understand that this is the Apple/Google system that is remote from Government, wheras the original government designed App held data centrally? If the former then how does the government track and trace get to know if my phone was within covid distance and time of another phone. Or does the government not get to know and the system is totally self policing? ( say phone as it is the phone and not the person if the phone is not on my person as it were) Fundamental questions which I ought to look up - but haven't. Cheers.

When someone enters a positive result on their app, it registers with the central database which periodically sends out a list of phone ids that are covid positive & when the test was taken. Your phone then compares that ID & date to the list of Ids it has encountered to decide whether action needs to be taken.

 

[Contrattacker]

I think that the main function is to get possible for our governments to monitor quarantine violators. But anyway it is useful for either of us.

 

[jimmer]

Has anyone on this thread downloaded the NHS covid 19 app?

No
Tens of millions of us are tippy toeing around because of a few million vulnerable

 

[Cowabunga]

I get that but then I question what is the point? Say I was there at 3pm and a Covid positive test came in at 6pm. Can and how does the system deal with time differentials. What would happen to me? Contacted by test and trace. I haven't donwloaded the app. SO declare my interest.

If you used the app and everyone else did, you would know whether you had been in the proximity of the other. Obviously using your example, you would not have been and the app would not warn you.

A bit of common sense is needed as well as the app, but since too many people haven't the sense to download and use the app, we are doomed. Doomed I tell you!

 

[Brisel]

No
Tens of millions of us are tippy toeing around because of a few million vulnerable

That’s nice. Most of us know plenty of vulnerable people who we would not want to accidentally kill with the virus for the sake of tippy toeing around for a while

 

[Courier]

A second “ lockdown “ ?

The UK never had a first lockdown ‘cos it still welcomed travellers in from hotspots throughout the world with no requirement to self isolate.

Lockdown is not Lockdown without rigidly enforced incoming quarantine and will NEVER work.

 

[jimmer]

That’s nice. Most of us know plenty of vulnerable people who we would not want to accidentally kill with the virus for the sake of tippy toeing around for a while

I don't want my parents, elderly relatives or the like to get ill, but if they are vulnerable they ought to be the ones staying indoors
Sooner we have a herd immunity the better

 

[Brisel]

I don't want my parents, elderly relatives or the like to get ill, but if they are vulnerable they ought to be the ones staying indoors
Sooner we have a herd immunity the better

You move around freely and catch it, then bring it to them...

 

[jimmer]

How if they're in iso?

 

[Cowabunga]

I don't want my parents, elderly relatives or the like to get ill, but if they are vulnerable they ought to be the ones staying indoors
Sooner we have a herd immunity the better

Herd immunity is a fantasy without vaccination. It isn’t even known yet whether having Covid gives any immunity to repeated infections or if it does, for how long. How many tens of thousands of UK deaths, and millions worldwide are you willing to sacrifice in your hunt for a fantasy? Countries worldwide are not taking the action they are, for the fun of it or because this virus is trivial. If anything they are talking it down to avoid panic.

 

[Courier]

Herd immunity is a fantasy without vaccination. It isn’t even known yet whether having Covid gives any immunity to repeated infections or if it does, for how long. How many tens of thousands of UK deaths, and millions worldwide are you willing to sacrifice in your hunt for a fantasy? Countries worldwide are not taking the action they are, for the fun of it or because this virus is trivial. If anything they are talking it down to avoid panic.

A GLOBAL 15 day lockdown with cessation of ALL international travel could have a chance of working - But it won't happen....

 

[Highland Mule]

A GLOBAL 15 day lockdown with cessation of ALL international travel could have a chance of working - But it won't happen....

My perception is that very few cases are as a result of flying now. Most are person to person transfer in the local community. A flying ban would make very little or possibly no difference unless it was part of a worldwide “everybody stay in their room for a fortnight” plan - and that’s just not workable.