They are keen to do more and build direct line of communication with farmers - maybe next time we can push some more challenging questions!
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They are keen to do more and build direct line of communication with farmers - maybe next time we can push some more challenging questions!
- Location
- South Molton
He kept mentioning farmers, the definition of that term will be key as to who receive the monies.
Interesting how the hectare limit is going to be removed.
Need to listen again to take it all in.
Here's a question - will more carbon/nitrogen/phosphate friendly practices be "encouraged" e.g. cover crops, no till, herbal leys?
Can you ask him to elaborate more on results based payments next time please? Results require baseline survey and careful result gathering. Baseline measuring pollinators in June won't look good vs the next survey if done 5 years later in January! We've often debated carbon auditing and measuring natural capital is so subjective. Would my grey partridge on chalk downland be worth more than a curlew on marshland? What if the migratory turtle doves (we have 9 sites here this year
) don't turn up due to bad weather or Maltese shooters with a better aim?
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It was 67% for ELS!
I can't say I blame many - much of what was in the broad-and-shallow ELS is now either embedded in Greening or in the awful narrow-and-steep prescriptive CS schemes that put most off. Some of those were waiting for ELMS and didn't want to risk being stuck in a scheme that required spending 75pence for each £ earned on a limited restrictive list of options when there might be a bigger more lucrative ELM scheme "encouraging" a lower baseline for results based payments.
Replacement is the wrong word IMO. That implies another teat for addicted farmers to suckle from. We will have to work harder and be able to demonstrate more benefit to the taxpayer.
- Location
- The North
Good job well done, good to hear the answers and try get a little clarity.
No, the RPA!
May investigate then
Tubbylew
Member
- Location
- Herefordshire
This,
Shameful harvest should be required reading for anyone in any doubt.
- Location
- South Molton
I knew ELS was higher I didn't realise it was actually that high.
I did a bit of research on magic maps and the actual number of agreements on farmland is very sporadic. More data on current uptake would help us that are taking part in test and trials know which parts to investigate further to see how it can be made to be a more workable solution.
Did you mention in another thread that you were part of an ELMS pilot trial? The cluster I'm part of is next to 2 others wrapped around a National Nature Reserve, so has attracted a bit of attention from NE and DEFRA. We've got 3 more in the process of starting up near us too. 2 of our 3 clusters opted not to seek NE facilitation funding as it cost as much as it benefitted. That also piqued the interest of DEFRA, especially their finance team! We found a charitable trust to get some cash from plus we put in £1/ha/year ourselves which covers most of the survey work.
Martin Down Farmer Cluster
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NE is being absorbed by the RPA. Doubtless a rebranding of NE will occur rather than a purge. Will Tony Junipers job description change? There is a battle yet to occur between agriculturalists and environmentalists and to pretend otherwise is naive.
DRC
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Is that you Tim Hall on the video.Did you mention in another thread that you were part of an ELMS pilot trial? The cluster I'm part of is next to 2 others wrapped around a National Nature Reserve, so has attracted a bit of attention from NE and DEFRA. We've got 3 more in the process of starting up near us too. 2 of our 3 clusters opted not to seek NE facilitation funding as it cost as much as it benefitted. That also piqued the interest of DEFRA, especially their finance team! We found a charitable trust to get some cash from plus we put in £1/ha/year ourselves which covers most of the survey work.
Martin Down Farmer Cluster
Keep up to date with everything happening at Martin Down and our neighbouring clusters on Twitter – @MDSuperCluster Established: 2016 Lead farmer: Tim Palmer Facilitator: Megan Lock [email protected] Members: 12 Area of outer boundary (inc. NNR):
What a load of f**king tosh.
If they want clean air, they'll have to pay me not to start my smokey old Fords up.
But joking aside, what a load of f**king tosh.
If they want clean air, they'll have to pay me not to start my smokey old Fords up.
But joking aside, what a load of f**king tosh.
What a load of fudgeing tosh.
If they want clean air, they'll have to pay me not to start my smokey old Fords up.
But joking aside, what a load of fudgeing tosh.
Don't hold back... speak your mind here...
Having watched that clip, I would say that that's a man who knows that it is all going to be horrendously complicated. Which is a shame really, because it should be quite simple:
1) Government implements a 'buy British food' policy for all Government institutions, so saving the planet by minimizing food miles and meaning productive land doesn't need ELMS cash as it pays its way by feeding the nation.
2) All ELMS cash goes to permanent pasture, being the most stable carbon store we have, thus maintaining the beauty and viability of our tourist areas so keeping the wider population happy.
Job done.
1) Government implements a 'buy British food' policy for all Government institutions, so saving the planet by minimizing food miles and meaning productive land doesn't need ELMS cash as it pays its way by feeding the nation.
2) All ELMS cash goes to permanent pasture, being the most stable carbon store we have, thus maintaining the beauty and viability of our tourist areas so keeping the wider population happy.
Job done.
Goweresque
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- Location
- North Wilts
How much are hares going to be worth? I counted about a dozen out mowing today, all in different places, so not the same ones. Also a load of deer, at least one buzzard and there's 2 barn owl fledglings in the box in my hay shed, and 2 more in a tree box. How much is that little lot worth as 'environmental outcomes'?
^^^^ I've mentioned this before on TFF. My rubbish old farm buildings which I haven't converted are home to barn owls, swallows, and even a hedgehog in the straw shed. If the powers that be are serious about wildlife, they could throw some money at me and others not to convert old buildings.
Public goods ? Hmmmm ? Hmmmm ?
Public goods ? Hmmmm ? Hmmmm ?