why would it matter how it looked ?
we can't all afford new stuff with new paint you know but that don't mean it won't stop when required
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we can't all afford new stuff with new paint you know but that don't mean it won't stop when required
your wrong its 18 now
fair enough, its not something I spend a lot of time thinking about however as I'm well over 21 and certainly have no desire to drive a truck
when did it change ?
10/09/09
Cowcalf
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- North of Scotland
Do modern tractor gearboxes have the ability to use the engine as a brake on sections of downhill ?
My view is anyone who gets behind the wheel of any vehicle must take on the responsilbity for what happens or should not be there
My view is anyone who gets behind the wheel of any vehicle must take on the responsilbity for what happens or should not be there
how fast would that go ?
speed is all important
in a way the faster you go the more irrelevant the brakes are because you are more likely to hit whatever just pulled out in front of you before you even press the brake peddle
now I know this makes no odds if an outfit runs away down a hill because the trailer brakes don't work but having said that at 4mph the outfit could most likely be stopped on the tractor brakes alone at 40mph there wouldn't be so much hope
cant recall but the challenger was certainly capable of 40kph IIRC might even have been 50 ? was a few years ago now - brakes were hydraulic, looking back I suspect well over weight etc but there are many similar machine (bigger even) in regular use today and still being sold
I've asked this on these threads before, if you set off down hill in a low gear, would the outfit run out of control, even if trailer brakes weren't up to the job ?
Depends on the hill and the tractor but it would have far less chance
I had our 15 ton slew on our turntable trailer which most likely weighs 4 or 5 ton on behind our 6270 and set off down a reasonable steep hill [not sure of the gradient] and it wasn't on the road the brakes were plugged in the spool valve, I drove down the hill in low box at about 3 or 4 mph and the tractor would hold it back and stop the whole lot within a few feet without using the trailer brakes, I wouldn't want to try that at 30 or 40 with just the trailer and not the slew
16... I sat a tractor test at that age drove around the small village of Blair Atholl, reversed around a corner, done an emergency stop, mirrors signal manoeuvre.. Few questions to answer and job done. He was never in the cab, and it only done 19 mph but I was allowed to go on the roads.
Chae1
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- Aberdeenshire
Farm I worked on at harvest as a student had a public weighbridge that the police also used to pull traffic they suspected as being overweight off the m25. Anyway remember pulling onto weighbridge with 8340 and 18t trailer loaded with beans. Grossed 31t! That was with hydraulic brakes and driving through romford and up 127.
Policeman had a quiet word with the boss. They normally hauled them with fastracs with air brakes ect. But wasn't safe on 8340. Would have been 20 years ago now.
I was only 19 at the time. Thinking back it was a bit nuts that he let me lose with fastrac and big trailers driving through busy towns and built up areas.
Policeman had a quiet word with the boss. They normally hauled them with fastracs with air brakes ect. But wasn't safe on 8340. Would have been 20 years ago now.
I was only 19 at the time. Thinking back it was a bit nuts that he let me lose with fastrac and big trailers driving through busy towns and built up areas.
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you need to get out more, and see some of the shite running on the roads, back lights all smashed to bits or hanging off, and you can see its not just happen, it been like that for months if not years
and to be blunt, if the lazy owner/ driver cannot be bothered to sort the lights, then no chance of them getting under the trailer on their back to see if brakes are good, lots i have seen with bust or missing hyd brake pipe, so fat chance it will work, and to add bit hanging off due to rust or damage, them are the ones that will feck it for everyone and an annual test will be brought in the future, and to cap it all, they are the ones that will grumble the most about it, as it will be something else to do, when in fact its something they should be doing now
I do agree, age or paint work has nothing to do with, and same applies at a mot test for a car, it's whether it is road worthy or not,
so playing the"I cannot afford a new one" card, is no excuse
yep but nothing can help being ugly
Cab-over Pete
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- Kenilworth, Warwickshire
Whilst you are right to an extent and I agree with you, pulling an implement isn’t under the laws for pulling a trailer at all. Implements don’t have to be equipped with brakes because they are not classed as trailers. It’s all nonsense but that’s the law.
Cab-over Pete
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- Kenilworth, Warwickshire
You are right, 16 is the age you can pass a test, but what you can drive is restricted. It really only covers very basic and quite small tractors and trailers, maybe 100 hp size and perhaps 12t trailer, that sort of stuff.
It’s not until 18 that you can drive bigger stuff and it’s not all about weight it’s also width. You might be ok with a 150 hp tractor on 540mm tyres but if it’s on 710mm tyres it will be too wide to drive at 16.
I don’t know all the regs inside out but I know enough to make sure I ask the right people before I get anyone driving my kit. I have a cracking 20 year old lad wants to work for me but he can’t drive my spreaders on the road until next February, which is bloody annoying but that’s how it is. I just hope I can find him enough to do off the road to keep him keen and get him on full bore next summer.
Meanwhile, if he wants to get behind the wheel of big kit he can go and pass his HGV test and agriculture could lose him forever. The hauliers pressure groups and associations have pushed for younger drivers and got it sorted so where are our representatives?
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The size, weight or speed involved is irrelevant.
If you, as an employer, fail in your duty of care regarding the condition of safety critical equipment that is used by your employees, if an accident occurs and the HSE are not happy they will bust you. I know of a company that was fined a million quid for a death that occurred on their premises, more to the point they can imprison people instead if the circumstances dictate it.
It is difficult to police the driving or operating behavior of employees, heck all industries must have a small faction of people who are outright reckless so all yo7 can do is protect yourself in an HSE or police investigation and show checks and maintenance is being done.
And the usual BS of cant afford it, not enough money etc try that line in a court of law. If you cant operate within the law and to the detriment of safety should you really be in business anyway? What is worth more than life and limb?
And no, if its not fit to pass an MOT and go on the road then realistically should you be using it at all?
If you, as an employer, fail in your duty of care regarding the condition of safety critical equipment that is used by your employees, if an accident occurs and the HSE are not happy they will bust you. I know of a company that was fined a million quid for a death that occurred on their premises, more to the point they can imprison people instead if the circumstances dictate it.
It is difficult to police the driving or operating behavior of employees, heck all industries must have a small faction of people who are outright reckless so all yo7 can do is protect yourself in an HSE or police investigation and show checks and maintenance is being done.
And the usual BS of cant afford it, not enough money etc try that line in a court of law. If you cant operate within the law and to the detriment of safety should you really be in business anyway? What is worth more than life and limb?
And no, if its not fit to pass an MOT and go on the road then realistically should you be using it at all?
How did they arrive on to your place? lorry/low loader
Nobody makes you take them onto public highway, they could be transported to each field on a low loader the same as any noncompliant piece of plant has to be moved
the tractor, solo and press certainly didn't all arrive on 1 truck thats for sure ! - regardless of law it simply wouldn't have fitted
of course just like the big trailers they are total legal regardless of weight off road but you do see them on the public highway i