You're not insured for this

[sawdust]

the tractor, solo and press certainly didn't all arrive on 1 truck thats for sure ! - regardless of law it simply wouldn't have fitted

of course just like the big trailers they are total legal regardless of weight off road but you do see them on the public highway i

I never said they had to be transported all on 1 truck but if it's illegal to run them down the public highway then they need to be transported on low loader,

how ever many trips it takes.

 

[Cab-over Pete]

They won’t be illegal.

If your tractor is over 2.55m wide you need a dispensation from all the relevant police areas you are going to travel in. This will list what widths of machine can be driven on the highway, what lighting needs to be used and whether an escort is required or not. There are very very few machines that simply cannnot be taken legally on the road, it’s just a case of getting sorted pre-move.

Putting machines on a low loader is another mine field because then instead of moving a wide vehicle you are moving a wide load. You really DO NOT want to open that can of worms!

 

[sawdust]

They won’t be illegal.

If your tractor is over 2.55m wide you need a dispensation from all the relevant police areas you are going to travel in. This will list what widths of machine can be driven on the highway, what lighting needs to be used and whether an escort is required or not. There are very very few machines that simply cannnot be taken legally on the road, it’s just a case of getting sorted pre-move.

Putting machines on a low loader is another mine field because then instead of moving a wide vehicle you are moving a wide load. You really DO NOT want to open that can of worms!

I never said they "were" I said "if"

 

[sawdust]

They won’t be illegal.

If your tractor is over 2.55m wide you need a dispensation from all the relevant police areas you are going to travel in. This will list what widths of machine can be driven on the highway, what lighting needs to be used and whether an escort is required or not. There are very very few machines that simply cannnot be taken legally on the road, it’s just a case of getting sorted pre-move.

Putting machines on a low loader is another mine field because then instead of moving a wide vehicle you are moving a wide load. You really DO NOT want to open that can of worms!

Also found out last month, those are not worth the paper they're written on, you also need permission from councils of areas your traveling in regards to routes to be taken, culverts and bridges are capable of weights and widths of machines being transported, there's a lot more to moving heavy wide machines than a lot realise.

 

[Gulli]

There is an assumption that big trailers are going to be filled on the road and that’s not always the case

We harvest a couple of places where fields are ring fenced and internal track network goes to grain stores so shifting 20t at a time is perfectly legal

That's frankly a poor excuse. A smaller trailer is much harder to overload the outfit weighs less and is therefore easier to control/stop.

Just because you can brim a big trailer and not worry about weight limits on private land doesn't mean it's any safer. You are just less likely to kill a member of the public.
Either do two trips with a smaller trailer or run a lorry

 

[Clive]

That's frankly a poor excuse. A smaller trailer is much harder to overload the outfit weighs less and is therefore easier to control/stop.

Just because you can brim a big trailer and not worry about weight limits on private land doesn't mean it's any safer. You are just less likely to kill a member of the public.
Either do two trips with a smaller trailer or run a lorry

utter rubbish - on private land there are no cars, pedestrians or other traffic at all, you travel at maybe 20kph on a farm track not full on road speed

there is NOTHING dangerous about a 20t load of wheat on private land when equipment is good, well maintained and used by experienced and qualified operators. I cant imagine lorry want to cart from under a combine spout and down bumpy farm tracks all day either, Most years they would get stuck as they are hardly off road machines are they !! why would they be any safer in an environment there were not design for than a tractor and trailer would be in the environment it was designed for ?

And as I also keep saying our "20t" trailers will hardly fit a road legal weight load of oats in them - we are not breaking road weight laws

 

[betweenthelines]

As usual, people are asking the wrong questions when it comes to H&S

WRONG QUESTION Is this legal? RIGHT QUESTION Is this safe?

It's legal to drive a car at 70mph on a motorway, but it's not safe to do so in thick fog with visibility at 100m

WRONG QUESTION Should I do this RIGHT QUESTION Is it safe to do this

You can send a 17 year old driver out hauling grain with a 20t trailer if he doesn't go on the road, but if he loses control, it's not safe.

Health & safety is not about what you can get away with or how to cover your ass, it's about people not getting hurt or killed.

 

[Clive]

based on past experience of young drivers (se my earlier post) I wouldn't have anyone under 25 or without significant experience on any machine these days, juts not worth the risk

 

[Exfarmer]

Fairly certain vehicles such as large 4WDs, Challengers, combines, other SP harvesters , spreaders and sprayers etc over 12 tonnes in weight are limited to 12 mph or 20K and can only be driven by an over 21 year old.
Incidentally while the HGV limit being reduced to 18 a few years back, it was possible for young soldiers to do their HGV from tthe age of 17 and retain their licence, if they left the army.
Seem to remember a famous hauliers daughter did hers then left the army straight after a few years back

 

[Gulli]

utter rubbish - on private land there are no cars, pedestrians or other traffic at all, you travel at maybe 20kph on a farm track not full on road speed

there is NOTHING dangerous about a 20t load of wheat on private land when equipment is good, well maintained and used by experienced and qualified operators. I cant imagine lorry want to cart from under a combine spout and down bumpy farm tracks all day either, Most years they would get stuck as they are hardly off road machines are they !! why would they be any safer in an environment there were not design for than a tractor and trailer would be in the environment it was designed for ?

And as I also keep saying our "20t" trailers will hardly fit a road legal weight load of oats in them - we are not breaking road weight laws

'Maybe 20k' unless it's going to rain or you're under pressure to get a job finished and then you nudge it on a bit to get done quicker.
I'd suggest that the crash in question probably wouldn't have happened if the equipment used was well maintained, driven by an experienced operator. Being on private land won't stop it running away on you.

Plenty of options for loading lorries away from the combine spout. Regardless you can load a 6/8 wheeler under a forager spout no bother and they don't often get stuck if you can drive.

I don't really care what weights you run at that's not really the point if all the brakes etc. Work properly. My original post wasn't aimed at you specifically

 

[Clive]

'Maybe 20k' unless it's going to rain or you're under pressure to get a job finished and then you nudge it on a bit to get done quicker.
I'd suggest that the crash in question probably wouldn't have happened if the equipment used was well maintained, driven by an experienced operator. Being on private land won't stop it running away on you.

Plenty of options for loading lorries away from the combine spout. Regardless you can load a 6/8 wheeler under a forager spout no bother and they don't often get stuck if you can drive.

I don't really care what weights you run at that's not really the point if all the brakes etc. Work properly. My original post wasn't aimed at you specifically

Why is a lorry any safer in a field and farm track than a tractor and trailer ? Please explain as I really can’t understabd the logic at all ?

On the road I agree totally that nothing is safer than the truck but no way in a off road environment is it safer or better in any way

 

[Fossil]

How old was this kid ?
and it is relevant
was he weighing the loads ?
is ignorance a defence ?
When I was driving tippers they wouldn't let you out the quarry if you were over weight but doing muckaway was a different story it was down to the driver how much was put on, some slew drivers would try to overload you, I nearly dragged a slew off the heap when he put another bucketful on as I pulled away the bugger didn't do that again
as a driver you have to take at least some responsibility for the load you carry

You can’t really expect a teenager to have to say no to their boss if they are told to take a load somewhere. The responsibility rests entirely with the boss who told them to do it.

 

[milkloss]

You can’t really expect a teenager to have to say no to their boss if they are told to take a load somewhere. The responsibility rests entirely with the boss who told them to do it.

I wont employ someone that won’t speak up. When we have a lad I say to him that if he doesn’t like something or is unsure then he should inform someone that is experienced with the job at hand. No excuses.

This lad should never have been driving such a machine regardless of its condition imo. Not his fault, I’m not saying that, the boss shouldnt Have allowed himself to be put in this position.

 

[Gulli]

Why is a lorry any safer in a field and farm track than a tractor and trailer ? Please explain as I really can’t understabd the logic at all ?

On the road I agree totally that nothing is safer than the truck but no way in a off road environment is it safer or better in any way

Why's a (good) farm track any different from a road?

Trucks are designed for transporting weight at speed, tractors aren't in general

 

[Clive]

Why's a (good) farm track any different from a road?

Trucks are designed for transporting weight at speed, tractors aren't in general

Not many farm track i’ve used are tarmac for a start ? Most are good stone at best and occasionally a bit of concrete if lucky

Trucks are designed for road transportation and tractors for off road use

 

[Gulli]

Not many farm track i’ve used are tarmac for a start ? Most are good stone at best and occasionally a bit of concrete if lucky !

You should come here then. We are halfway round the place with tarmac now

 

[Clive]

You should come here then. We are halfway round the place with tarmac now

Lucky you but back in the real world .......

 

[Gulli]

Lucky you but back in the real world .......

Granted some tracks are sh!t but I'd say there's more good ones than bad. Maybe ive just been lucky and the tracks in the bits of the country I've not been to are awful?

 

[Henarar]

You can’t really expect a teenager to have to say no to their boss if they are told to take a load somewhere. The responsibility rests entirely with the boss who told them to do it.

no it doesn't

 

[Clive]

Granted some tracks are sh!t but I'd say there's more good ones than bad. Maybe ive just been lucky and the tracks in the bits of the country I've not been to are awful?

A lorry will only outperform a tractor when on good tarmac or concrete, most Farm tracks are neither and fields certainly are not

Off road the tractor is the king and safer choice as that’s what it was designed for. On road the opposite is true and that’s ideally the domain of the truck