Planning Applications, PD and the like (General Chat)

BAC · Feb 5, 2018

We have an old pole barn which is roughly 13 x 45. Want to take it down and put a 20 x 50 storage shed up with workshop. There is planning currently already on a residential property close by. By applying for planning permission for a new shed, would it affect the original planning on the residential building?

Also, how easy is it for planning to be passed if there is already a building there? Does this make it easier??

Kidds · Feb 5, 2018

BAC said:
We have an old pole barn which is roughly 13 x 45. Want to take it down and put a 20 x 50 storage shed up with workshop. There is planning currently already on a residential property close by. By applying for planning permission for a new shed, would it affect the original planning on the residential building?

Also, how easy is it for planning to be passed if there is already a building there? Does this make it easier??

Besides the planning aspect have you spoken to an accountant about repairing the old shed rather than building a new one re tax?

BAC · Feb 5, 2018

Kidds said:
Besides the planning aspect have you spoken to an accountant about repairing the old shed rather than building a new one re tax?

We are wanting to change the layout of how it is now and tax liability isn’t an option

George from SJM Planning · Feb 5, 2018

BAC said:
We have an old pole barn which is roughly 13 x 45. Want to take it down and put a 20 x 50 storage shed up with workshop. There is planning currently already on a residential property close by. By applying for planning permission for a new shed, would it affect the original planning on the residential building?

Also, how easy is it for planning to be passed if there is already a building there? Does this make it easier??

If planning has been approved on the house then applying planning for the barn can't affect it.

Replacing a building will always be looked on more favourably than building in a virgin site but it doesn't mean planning is a formality.

BAC · Feb 5, 2018

GeorgieB82 said:
If planning has been approved on the house then applying planning for the barn can't affect it.

Replacing a building will always be looked on more favourably than building in a virgin site but it doesn't mean planning is a formality.

That is the main worry. The architect for the house has told us to refrain from applying for planning until the house is complete but I don’t have that much time to wait, he hasn’t been the best architect so far anyway!

Do I need to apply for limited development as the farm is less than 12 acres

George from SJM Planning · Feb 5, 2018

BAC said:
That is the main worry. The architect for the house has told us to refrain from applying for planning until the house is complete but I don’t have that much time to wait, he hasn’t been the best architect so far anyway!

Do I need to apply for limited development as the farm is less than 12 acres

Your architect seems a bit of a worry! Has planning for the house been granted?
You'll probably need full planning as you are under 4Ha

BAC · Feb 5, 2018

GeorgieB82 said:
Your architect seems a bit of a worry! Has planning for the house been granted?
You'll probably need full planning as you are under 4Ha

Yes, House is being refurbished but part of it collapsed and is being rebuilt and this is what is worrying him.

We are 4.5 hectare. Does that make any difference??

George from SJM Planning · Feb 5, 2018

BAC said:
Yes, House is being refurbished but part of it collapsed and is being rebuilt and this is what is worrying him.

We are 4.5 hectare. Does that make any difference??

4Ha is the threshold for Agricultural Permitted Development so you could be ok.

If planning is complete for the house then crack on with the barn.

PM me or email me ([email protected]) if you want any more specific information.

BAC · Feb 5, 2018

GeorgieB82 said:
4Ha is the threshold for Agricultural Permitted Development so you could be ok.

If planning is complete for the house then crack on with the barn.

PM me or email me ([email protected]) if you want any more specific information.

Email sent

wasted years · Feb 6, 2018

There was an article in I think the NFU mag from Acorus about LPA authorities and their 5 year housing availability plan.
I had a look at my LPA plan and their availability stands at 3.3 years supply for the 5 years so as they admitt, quite a shortfall.
I have a 70 acre block of land that runs to within the village on one boundary and about 300m on another boundary.
On the boundary that runs to within 300m of the village there is a single bungalow on the opposite side of the road.
I have permission for a generator in a container and PD (under 465m square) for a shed on the land but away from the village and wondered whether I could get a few high value plots near the village.
There is no other development at or around the village and I should add that anything I attempt to do will be resisted as I am not well liked.
Anyone got a cunning plan?

Kidds · Feb 6, 2018

wasted years said:
There was an article in I think the NFU mag from Acorus about LPA authorities and their 5 year housing availability plan.
I had a look at my LPA plan and their availability stands at 3.3 years supply for the 5 years so as they admitt, quite a shortfall.
I have a 70 acre block of land that runs to within the village on one boundary and about 300m on another boundary.
On the boundary that runs to within 300m of the village there is a single bungalow on the opposite side of the road.
I have permission for a generator in a container and PD (under 465m square) for a shed on the land but away from the village and wondered whether I could get a few high value plots near the village.
There is no other development at or around the village and I should add that anything I attempt to do will be resisted as I am not well liked.
Anyone got a cunning plan?

What does the neighbourhood plan say? If it basically says "No development on Wasted Year's land" you are stuck, if it says no development anywhere than you have a chance.
Of course as soon as you submit anything they will change the neighbourhood plan to suit.

George from SJM Planning · Feb 6, 2018

wasted years said:
There was an article in I think the NFU mag from Acorus about LPA authorities and their 5 year housing availability plan.
I had a look at my LPA plan and their availability stands at 3.3 years supply for the 5 years so as they admitt, quite a shortfall.
I have a 70 acre block of land that runs to within the village on one boundary and about 300m on another boundary.
On the boundary that runs to within 300m of the village there is a single bungalow on the opposite side of the road.
I have permission for a generator in a container and PD (under 465m square) for a shed on the land but away from the village and wondered whether I could get a few high value plots near the village.
There is no other development at or around the village and I should add that anything I attempt to do will be resisted as I am not well liked.
Anyone got a cunning plan?

I would consider doing a pre-app with the council, they are confidential so none of the NIMBY's will find out and at the end of it you will have a good idea whether you have a chance and whether pissing off the locals will be worth it.

wasted years · Feb 6, 2018

GeorgieB82 said:
I would consider doing a pre-app with the council, they are confidential so none of the NIMBY's will find out and at the end of it you will have a good idea whether you have a chance and whether pissing off the locals will be worth it.

That is interesting, I didn't know about pre-apps.
The locals are already pee'd off (I'm local as well BTW).
Is a pre -app different from paying for a site visit?

franklin · Feb 6, 2018

wasted years said:
That is interesting, I didn't know about pre-apps.
The locals are already pee'd off (I'm local as well BTW).
Is a pre -app different from paying for a site visit?

Pay agent to have a look. Local planning consultant will tell you if you have a hope or not.

George from SJM Planning · Feb 6, 2018

wasted years said:
That is interesting, I didn't know about pre-apps.
The locals are already pee'd off (I'm local as well BTW).
Is a pre -app different from paying for a site visit?

There are usually two types of pre-app, a written desktop response and and site visit followed by a written response. Either way you will get an idea what the council will and won't allow in principle.

franklin · Feb 6, 2018

It always helps to have / have someone do some digging. Has the authority built enough already? Has it enough allocated land that is coming up to build on? Have they done a survey to identify the need for affordable housing etc? A local agent will tell you how they are doing as planning rules change so quickly - at one point they were so behind here that they would consider any reasonable scheme within the town / village envelope.

Forever Fendt · Feb 6, 2018

GeorgieB82 said:
I would consider doing a pre-app with the council, they are confidential so none of the NIMBY's will find out and at the end of it you will have a good idea whether you have a chance and whether pissing off the locals will be worth it.

Would a pre app stand for much if @wasted years application went to committee or would it be delt with under delegated powers as the committee does not always follow the officers recommendations,Is there anyway you can add some community benefit into the scheme that may get locals a little more on side

George from SJM Planning · Feb 6, 2018

Forever Fendt said:
Would a pre app stand for much if @wasted years application went to committee or would it be delt with under delegated powers as the committee does not always follow the officers recommendations,Is there anyway you can add some community benefit into the scheme that may get locals a little more on side

A pre-app is an informal, non-binding response from the council and therefore should not be taken as gospel but would provide greater insight into the issues that would need to be highlighted in the full application.

Forever Fendt · Feb 6, 2018

GeorgieB82 said:
A pre-app is an informal, non-binding response from the council and therefore should not be taken as gospel but would provide greater insight into the issues that would need to be highlighted in the full application.

I think i can help him out here for free as i am quite sure i know the councils response,Perhaps a good planning consultant would be the order of the day

George from SJM Planning · Feb 6, 2018

Forever Fendt said:
I think i can help him out here for free as i am quite sure i know the councils response,Perhaps a good planning consultant would be the order of the day

I don't know any of those I'm afraid; will I do lol!

I think the councils view will be swayed if the land is adjoining the existing Limits of Build Development (LBD), if their housing demand is still below the acceptable level, if they do not have any allocated sites available to service that need and if what you can get on the site will make a large enough dent in their need.

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