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willdevon · May 1, 2019

How can the NFU which claim to be the voice of English and Welsh Farming, back such proposals?

The NFU need to be directly accountable to their members rather than a closed shop/cozy club- they are increasingly out of touch with the people who pay their subscriptions. Why are they so set against democracy? Their involvement in the RT farrago is a classic example of a major conflict of interest where they are acting against a large number of their members/potential members interests.
I have refused to join RT and resigned from the NFU in protest at their stance on WLA and RT. Others should do the same where they can.

Pieces_of_Eight · May 1, 2019

Drillman said:
To make it even better the inspector in question has just emailed me another clients no. Conformance list.

Data protection out the window then

Was the client identifiable from the data? :scratchhead:

Suffolk Serf · May 1, 2019

steveR said:
My pig keeping neighbour said much the same 2-3 weeks ago. He is a tad skitty about it, unsurprisingly!

I had a disagreement with someone very senior in RT the other day, who thought it okay for the general public from who knows where to drive immediately adjacent to my pigs to get access to a large public event.
Some of those visitors would have been other pig farmers worried about what they might pick up from me.

The terrifying thing about ASF is that it takes up to 40 days from infection to spotting a problem. In those 40 days the disease could spread everywhere. It could already be here now, undetected.

thesilentone · May 1, 2019

Maybe there is more to this than we are being informed. As has already been mentioned, random unannounced visits are part of the new risk based approach, and are when a member is on the radar for not conforming.

So, there are two sides to this, and in addition, it may be worthwhile re-reading what you agreed to when joining the scheme.

RT is/has been lacking credibility, this is partially due to the haphazard way some inspectors/inspections have taken place, there is a tightening-up going on, and hopefully from this, we all benefit.

If you don't want to be a member of RT, then terminate your membership,if one of your buyers insists you are, then conform, or find another way of selling your produce.

fieldfarmer · May 1, 2019

Henarar said:
just going to have to put up with it then and it will only get worse things like this always do
I am not a member but they will get me blackmailed in to it in the end, whole life assurance will see to that when it comes in, Batters is a big fan of that as well, all RT will do for me is cost me money and time with no gain whatsoever over the status quo

fieldfarmer · May 1, 2019

Whole life assurance, will be in very very soon! The inspector on my non compliance form also wrote that I "should only be buying assured store cattle and lambs", when I pointed out I was keeping within their rules for days on farm, his response was "not for long," and wouldn't remove the comment.[/QUOTE]

Pieces_of_Eight · May 1, 2019

fieldfarmer said:
Whole life assurance will be in very very soon!

So to qualify as assured, that animal must have only ever lived on assured holdings and only ever eaten assured feeds?

7610 super q · May 1, 2019

thesilentone said:
Maybe there is more to this than we are being informed. As has already been mentioned, random unannounced visits are part of the new risk based approach, and are when a member is on the radar for not conforming.

So, there are two sides to this, and in addition, it may be worthwhile re-reading what you agreed to when joining the scheme.

RT is/has been lacking credibility, this is partially due to the haphazard way some inspectors/inspections have taken place, there is a tightening-up going on, and hopefully from this, we all benefit.

If you don't want to be a member of RT, then terminate your membership,if one of your buyers insists you are, then conform, or find another way of selling your produce.

Easier said than done. Only 2 mills in South Wales, and they will only take assured grain.
Tried selling 12 ton surplus last winter farm to farm, and after 5 months of Facebook palaver grief, I've still got ........11 ton left...

I wish we could stop this " If you don't like it, do something else " nonsense. It really doesn't help.

thesilentone · May 1, 2019

7610 super q said:
Easier said than done. Only 2 mills in South Wales, and they will only take assured grain.
Tried selling 12 ton surplus last winter farm to farm, and after 5 months of Facebook palaver grief, I've still got ........11 ton left...

I wish we could stop this " If you don't like it, do something else " nonsense. It really doesn't help.

Sadly, QA schemes have rules, if you don't like them, then don't join them, it is that simple.

Northeastfarmer · May 1, 2019

Henarar said:
Quite right
Didn't the first ones sell out for thirty pieces of silver

Trouble is the big buyers wouldn’t even take stock unless you were farm assured...I’ve been FA about 18 years, back then it was a doddle....now there’s more and more hoop jumping for less reward

JP1 · May 1, 2019

thesilentone said:
Sadly, QA schemes have rules, if you don't like them, then don't join them, it is that simple.

And to continue this line of thinking, what were the exact grounds for Sainsburys to withdraw their interest in Red Tractor ?

davieh3350 · May 1, 2019

thesilentone said:
Sadly, QA schemes have rules, if you don't like them, then don't join them, it is that simple.

Yes you're right, but if he can't shift the 11 tons he had left over, how will he get on trying to shift all of it unassured?

... Unless everyone drops out and they have no choice but to buy it.

I've never been assured, feck that.

thesilentone · May 1, 2019

davieh3350 said:
Yes you're right, but if he can't shift the 11 tons he had left over, how will he get on trying to shift all of it unassured?

... Unless everyone drops out and they have no choice but to buy it.

I've never been assured, feck that.

Neither have I................

The key to the door is to have a QA scheme that buyers, processors and the public have confidence in. If we can achieve this, then we will get universal promotion, and added value.

davieh3350 · May 1, 2019

thesilentone said:
Neither have I................

And yet you still get on ok

Aircooled · May 1, 2019

thesilentone said:
Sadly, QA schemes have rules, if you don't like them, then don't join them, it is that simple.

Sorry it's not that simple. It's not voluntary.

Highland Mule · May 1, 2019

Northeastfarmer said:
Trouble is the big buyers wouldn’t even take stock unless you were farm assured...I’ve been FA about 18 years, back then it was a doddle....now there’s more and more hoop jumping for less reward

Wish you guys would make up your minds - you say there's less reward, yet @7610 super q says it's the difference between sale and no sale.

Northeastfarmer · May 1, 2019

Highland Mule said:
Wish you guys would make up your minds - you say there's less reward, yet @7610 super q says it's the difference between sale and no sale.

Less reward in the fact that cattle and sheep aren’t worth that much more than they were when FA was easy

Highland Mule · May 1, 2019

Northeastfarmer said:
Less reward in the fact that cattle and sheep aren’t worth that much more than they were when FA was easy

But you can't blame RT for that, can you? They're still worth considerably more than without FA, I suspect.

Northeastfarmer · May 1, 2019

Highland Mule said:
But you can't blame RT for that, can you? They're still worth considerably more than without FA, I suspect.

Cattle are, sheep aren’t

Highland Mule · May 1, 2019

Northeastfarmer said:
Cattle are, sheep aren’t

I reckon I lose £15 a head on my breeding ewe lambs and £5-10 a head on my prime lambs by not being FA. That's not enough for me to do it though.

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