“US promises fast-track trade deals after Brexit”

czechmate

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Mixed Farmer
Very clear that the French/ German people don't want Brits moving over there to settle, no doubt they are happy for young people to come over and work for a few years then go home again but they certainly don't want the remoiners coming over because most of then are in the later stages of life and will cost a fortune in medical bills/ care etc within a few short years!


I’m not following you really Guth :scratchhead:
For sure, I didn’t mind the thought of moving here and not mixing with English and what do I find? More English here than French :oops:
 
Location
Devon
I’m not following you really Guth :scratchhead:
For sure, I didn’t mind the thought of moving here and not mixing with English and what do I find? More English here than French :oops:

Why would any country ( be that an EU or non EU country ) want remoiners like cowbunga etc settling there when they are so negative/ down about anything and everything??
 

Campani

Member
In some respects that might not be a bad thing , we are producing commodity crops now we are in the EU , we havnt really done very well out of that (less sub) It might encourage a different approach utilising others commodity crops , Good market for lamb in USA at the moment , could be good market for some dairy produce , scary times i know and a whole different crop package around the corner .
Fine for an arable farm. I'm not growing many crops on a hill farm on the edge of the Berwyn mountains in Wales. I produce lamb, the market is growing in america, it already exists in the EU.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
The UK is currently an EU member!

Beef prices are on the floor.

Sheep prices are on the floor,

Grain prices are on the floor,

So tell me ardent remoiners like Cowbunga what is so good about being in the EU for farming??

Truth is that remoiners hate democracy/ are narrow minded/ bigoted/ hate the UK with a passion and so the list goes on!

Any remoiners that don't like the fact we are leaving an EU superstate run by the Germans and French then why don't you sell up and feck off to one of these country's?? of course you cant because they don't want you! its a bit like a relship breakup, one person wants out but the other one cant accept it and thus the latter is the remoiners!
Prices are very far from being on the floor. Milk price has 25p or more before it reaches the floor and sheep could well halve in value. Beef may well lose 30% or more of its current value.

Those would be 'the floor'. Let's hope it doesn't come to that. In the immediate aftermath it certainly will not and might even rise. Temporarily.

We will probably soon see. Best of luck. You are going to need it. We are going to need it.
 

andybk

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Mendips Somerset
Fine for an arable farm. I'm not growing many crops on a hill farm on the edge of the Berwyn mountains in Wales. I produce lamb, the market is growing in america, it already exists in the EU.
yes and supermarket pressure has held the lamb price back to what it was in 1980 , as they factor our sub into the price that they pay ( manipulate , i was getting £90 - 100 when i started on this farm ) 40 years of escalating costs and no extra income , every time you think lamb prices start moving in the right direction like last year , boat loads are booked for next season to get prices back to where they were , yet tesco is sitting on wealth most business only dreams of . some should be shared down the supply chain . Just who has benefited being in the EU ? certainly not livestock farms , there is hardly any left . plumbers / electricians on £50 an hour thats a whole store lamb AN HOUR !
We need to move away from sub and find new markets or ways of marketing (we are denied this being a member of the club) australian lamb is selling at record prices down under as they tap into china and usa markets , long term more volatility maybe but better than stuck in the marketing doldrums we have been in all my working life , and yet another year of break even .
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales

"UK must accept American food standards for any trade deal" and must accept cheaper American food.

If we do so, the EU will undoubtedly impose tariffs it now imposes on the USA on us, which has massive implications not only for UK agriculture but for the Irish border and the Good Friday Agreement, which will itself stop the American trade agreement from being ratified over there. So on and on and deeper into the rabbit hole we sink.
 
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Derrick Hughes

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Location
Ceredigion
Prices are very far from being on the floor. Milk price has 25p or more before it reaches the floor and sheep could well halve in value. Beef may well lose 30% or more of its current value.

Those would be 'the floor'. Let's hope it doesn't come to that. In the immediate aftermath it certainly will not and might even rise. Temporarily.

We will probably soon see. Best of luck. You are going to need it. We are going to need it.
Who was to blame when milk price dropped to 15 p .
Lot of talk about the milk price dropping atm , it's already dropped 2 p due to the amount of milk being produced from all this grass about
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin

"UK must accept American food standards for any trade deal" and must accept cheaper American food.

If we do so, the EU will undoubtedly impose tariffs it now imposes on the USA on us, which has massive implications not only for UK agriculture but for the Irish border and the Good Friday Agreement, which will itself stop the American trade agreement from being ratified over there. So on and on and deeper into the rabbit hole we sink.

Folk don't seem to get the fact that it's not that the Americans use Chlorine washing. It's that they have no alternative to due to low and often non existent hygiene and welfare standards.
 

caveman

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Location
East Sussex.
All this over reaction to chlorine washed chicken , uk bagged salad has always been chlorine washed and still is !


Errr.
Paracetic acid.
You know the stuff.
Its what dairy farmers use in copious quantities to inhibit the spread of mastitis between cows. Milking parlours and equipment up and down the land awash with the stuff.
 

andybk

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Mendips Somerset
Errr.
Paracetic acid.
You know the stuff.
Its what dairy farmers use in copious quantities to inhibit the spread of mastitis between cows. Milking parlours and equipment up and down the land awash with the stuff.
will bow to your superior knowledge , was only quoting what was on BBC a few weeks ago , still washed in chems one way or another
 

le bon paysan

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
The UK is currently an EU member!

Beef prices are on the floor.

Sheep prices are on the floor,
France is an EU member!
The Top quality through the Groupement for stores is "Export Veaux Italie"
Had €3,05 a kilo live for young bulls that's €915 Hd. before VAT and off the farm with no transport to pay
Thats £ 842 Hd.

French lamb price Friday 2nd August, delivered into the abattoir , transport included. Farmer receives; U 2. 16- 19 Kg € 6,28 - € 6,31 Kg Not including the VAT
Thats £ 110 Hd
 

Agrivator

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Folk don't seem to get the fact that it's not that the Americans use Chlorine washing. It's that they have no alternative to due to low and often non existent hygiene and welfare standards.

I imagine that when the American tourists visit the UK and France, they are struck by how down-at-heal, grubby and unwashed we are.

But being Americans, they are too good-natured and polite to complain. And as for our (the UK's) coffee and beef steaks............
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
I imagine that when the American tourists visit the UK and France, they are struck by how down-at-heal, grubby and unwashed we are.

But being Americans, they are too good-natured and polite to complain. And as for our (the UK's) coffee and beef steaks............

Large parts of the US are the same, only poorer. Where else do you think Trump recruits his foot soldiers.
 
Location
Devon
France is an EU member!
The Top quality through the Groupement for stores is "Export Veaux Italie"
Had €3,05 a kilo live for young bulls that's €915 Hd. before VAT and off the farm with no transport to pay
Thats £ 842 Hd.

French lamb price Friday 2nd August, delivered into the abattoir , transport included. Farmer receives; U 2. 16- 19 Kg € 6,28 - € 6,31 Kg Not including the VAT
Thats £ 110 Hd


Your bull price is similar to ours.

Your lamb price is something like £35 head more than we are getting currently!
 

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