“US promises fast-track trade deals after Brexit”

[betweenthelines]

Forsooth, it is better to be the 51st state , than a backwater of the Forth Reich.

Forth Reich? What's that Scots in jackboots led by Angus Hitler?

 

[betweenthelines]

Why does everyone assume the UK will be the whipping boy of the World after Brexit, begging other Countries to send us their goods and hoping they will buy something off us?

We are trading Nation with top quality goods and services that other Countries want and we have a thriving economy that the rest of the World will want to tap into. The UK will be in the driving seat, able to dictate terms. The US are making noises now because they want a piece of the action, it's up to us how big a piece we give them

 

[Derrick Hughes]

Why does everyone assume the UK will be the whipping boy of the World after Brexit, begging other Countries to send us their goods and hoping they will buy something off us?

We are trading Nation with top quality goods and services that other Countries want and we have a thriving economy that the rest of the World will want to tap into. The UK will be in the driving seat, able to dictate terms. The US are making noises now because they want a piece of the action, it's up to us how big a piece we give them

A remainer cant look on the bright side . Its impossible

 

[ollie989898]

UK is saying in strong terms: 'we will trade openly with whoever wants to, no tariffs'.

There will be a veritable stampede of nations looking for a slice of that action, each of them taking a percentage of trade formerly sent here by the EU. And you wonder why they are a bit miffed?? Don't you see the EU has spent decades trying to create its own closed sand pit with padded walls and now the UK has said I've had enough of this circus I'm going out into the woods where the big boys play.

 

[Agrivator]

There is no doubt that USA beef has a very high reputation.

It could turn out that if we import USA beef, the consumer will like its taste so much, that beef consumption will take off and we will have more demand for our home-grown beef - at least the good quality stuff.

 

[The Agrarian]

I wonder why he put a vegan head case as agriculture minister.

 

[Muck Spreader]

There is no doubt that USA beef has a very high reputation.

It could turn out that if we import USA beef, the consumer will like its taste so much, that beef consumption will take off and we will have more demand for our home-grown beef - at least the good quality stuff.

And then you woke up!

 

[Muck Spreader]

As the US is already our biggest trading partner and we sell more to them they do to us. Trump will be looking to redress the balance in the US favour. In the long run it may mean that overall trade between the US and the UK increases but this makes the UK far more dependent and subservient to the whims and fancies of whoever the President happens to be at the time.

 

[Cowabunga]

One good thing is the deal will actually be done in stages on a deal by deal basis and the ag one is going to be one of the last to be done and a long time from now according to experts. Boris's right hand man (cummings) is from farming stock which fills me with confidence that uk ag will be safe under boris

They can't actually do it in stages according to WTO rules.

I am amazed that you are so easily filled with confidence considering Boris's track record of lies, deceit and abject failure to deliver on promises.

 

[jerseycowsman]

Forsooth, it is better to be the 51st state , than a backwater of the Forth Reich.

Heil Trump!

 

[Ncap]

One good thing is the deal will actually be done in stages on a deal by deal basis and the ag one is going to be one of the last to be done and a long time from now according to experts. Boris's right hand man (cummings) is from farming stock which fills me with confidence that uk ag will be safe under boris

Rearrange the following into a well-known phrase or saying: Straws. Clutching.At. As for Cummings coming from 'farming stock', how many millimetres do you think his supposed allegiance to family extends? If it looks like a rat and smells like a rat, it will surely act like a rat.

 

[Cowabunga]

Why does everyone assume the UK will be the whipping boy of the World after Brexit, begging other Countries to send us their goods and hoping they will buy something off us?

We are trading Nation with top quality goods and services that other Countries want and we have a thriving economy that the rest of the World will want to tap into. The UK will be in the driving seat, able to dictate terms. The US are making noises now because they want a piece of the action, it's up to us how big a piece we give them

Yeah right! Just like we have been successful at dictating the terms of the easiest quickest trade deals in history these last couple of years.

You must live in some parallel Universe on the planet Eutopia.

 

[Cowabunga]

There is no doubt that USA beef has a very high reputation.

It could turn out that if we import USA beef, the consumer will like its taste so much, that beef consumption will take off and we will have more demand for our home-grown beef - at least the good quality stuff.

Only a couple of days ago all the news was that beef and dairy consumption must fall significantly from the current very high level.

However, I agree that there is nothing wrong with US beef and dairy products or pork, apart from their massive use of antibiotics, even as feed additives, other growth promoters and hormones and so on that the UK government will never allow domestic farmers to use.

Its import is, in the absence of tariffs, likely to lower domestic cattle prices by around 20%, make no mistake about it. Not immediately, but within two years the domestic producers will be devastated. Obliterated!
The UK Government has promised to buy UK meat [and dairy?] products in a sort of intervention safety net, but there is no storage left for this purpose, so that is a non-starter.

How do you think they will maintain farmgate prices at viable levels for UK farmers after a hard Brexit when zero tariffs are promised on imports? Exports will certainly be subject to tariffs, so UK prices will have to be lower by the same amount if we are to export. The EU will not take our exports without a substantial tariff if we allow unrestricted access to cheap food from outside the EU.

This is not a game where people play nice. This is deadly serious business that makes or breaks nations.

 

[digger64]

Only a couple of days ago all it's not news was that beef and dairy consumption must fall significantly from the current very high level.

However, I agree that there is nothing wrong with US beef and dairy products or pork, apart from their massive use of antibiotics, even as feed additives, other growth promoters and hormones and so on that the UK government will never allow domestic farmers to use.

Its import is, in the absence of tariffs, likely to lower domestic cattle prices by around 20%, make no mistake about it. Not immediately, but within two years the domestic producers will be devastated. Obliterated!
The UK Government has promised to buy UK meat [and dairy?] products in a sort of intervention safety net, but there is no storage left for this purpose, so that is a non-starter.

How do you think they will maintain farmgate prices at viable levels for UK farmers after a hard Brexit when zero tariffs are promised on imports? Exports will certainly be subject to tariffs, so UK prices will have to be lower by the same amount if we are to export. The EU will not take our exports without a substantial tariff if we allow unrestricted access to cheap food from outside the EU.

This is not a game where people play nice. This is deadly serious business that makes or breaks nations.

Bit like eu rules and policies then that make or break individual businesses- its not nice , some people suggest it's called corruption

 

[ollie989898]

Again, and I hope, for the last time: WTO rules are a catch-all that many countries have signed. They are not, never have and never will be, the be all and end all in trading arrangements. A country who is a signatory to the WTO may choose to offer superior, enhanced or preferential terms to another party or parties despite any WTO rules. WTO rules are not designed to prevent signatories from having a better deal with other parties. They are a basic set of rules that a country may choose to adopt if they agree that they will work in the same way all other WTO signatories do.

A WTO signatory is permitted to instill tariffs if they so choose, but only on the goods specified within the WTO agreement AND the tariff may not exceed the level stated under WTO rules. The UK can still be a signatory to the WTO and it will not prevent it doing any of the following:

1. Trading with the USA (or anyone else) with zero or near zero tariffs on any goods whatsoever.
2. Trading with a variety of countries but, for example, banning the importation of cars that do not meet European emissions or safety regulations (just for example), in reality, I suspect that any car manufacturer that hopes to sell cars here is already designing products to meet or exceed EU or US safety regulations anyway, I can hardly see the UK government inventing an entirely new set of standards on that front.
3. Offering preferential terms (IE zero tariff or even import subsidies) to countries such as former colonies or commonwealth nations- for example, the UK could choose to offer Australian coal imports preferential access to the UK market, or even say, Saudi Arabian LNG imports, for whatever reason.

WTO rules do not exist to discourage trade. Lots of countries are WTO signatories and trade within these rules.


What I am rather confused about is that many on this forum are quick to expect other countries to allow the export of our beef or lamb or whatever, and rightly state the superior quality of our product, but when it comes to the prospect of cheap inferior imports, they run for the hills?

As I have said before, there is no real reason the UK cannot import beef from Namibia, or cheap Danish pork yet they are far from the exclusive product on the shop shelves as far as I can see. Allowing the USA to export beef here does not mean it will take the entire market by storm.

 

[Cowabunga]

What I am rather confused about is that many on this forum are quick to expect other countries to allow the export of our beef or lamb or whatever, and rightly state the superior quality of our product, but when it comes to the prospect of cheap inferior imports, they run for the hills?

As I have said before, there is no real reason the UK cannot import beef from Namibia, or cheap Danish pork yet they are far from the exclusive product on the shop shelves as far as I can see. Allowing the USA to export beef here does not mean it will take the entire market by storm.

Food is all that many of the countries likely to want to trade more with us have to offer. You should know that beef is already at unsustainably low prices and has got worse due to cancelled export orders already as a consequence of the likely Brexit. Any further imports are likely to push cattle [and sheep] prices down much further than they are currently and there will be zero effective safety net for producers in the UK. The priority here is to have export agreements for UK built cars and service industries. That will almost certainly mean that UK agriculture will be sacrificed once more as it has been in the past, just over 100 years ago and just under 100 years ago.

 

[ollie989898]

Food is all that many of the countries likely to want to trade more with us have to offer. You should know that beef is already at unsustainably low prices and has got worse due to cancelled export orders already as a consequence of the likely Brexit. Any further imports are likely to push cattle [and sheep] prices down much further than they are currently and there will be zero effective safety net for producers in the UK. The priority here is to have export agreements for UK built cars and service industries. That will almost certainly mean that UK agriculture will be sacrificed once more as it has been in the past, just over 100 years ago and just under 100 years ago.

You make some fairly serious claims here, have you evidence for any of these? If so, I believe I am not alone in saying that I would like to see it.

I like facts. It is perfectly legal to import cheap beef from foreign countries into the UK already, I cited Namibia already. My point is, despite this, the supermarkets are not selling it in huge quantities as far as I can see. I do see some Irish steak though. What I want to know is, how can you claim that American beef will be sold in even the same volume as Namibian beef, much less Irish or British? Consumer sentiment, being what it is, is hardly likely to be enamoured with it given the reasons you mentioned earlier- it does have a perceived problem with hormones and AGPs, even if that assumption is totally false.

 

[Cowabunga]

You make some fairly serious claims here, have you evidence for any of these? If so, I believe I am not alone in saying that I would like to see it.

I like facts. It is perfectly legal to import cheap beef from foreign countries into the UK already, I cited Namibia already. My point is, despite this, the supermarkets are not selling it in huge quantities as far as I can see. I do see some Irish steak though. What I want to know is, how can you claim that American beef will be sold in even the same volume as Namibian beef, much less Irish or British? Consumer sentiment, being what it is, is hardly likely to be enamoured with it given the reasons you mentioned earlier- it does have a perceived problem with hormones and AGPs, even if that assumption is totally false.

There is either a massive tariff on it or a quota or both, to enter the EU of which we are currently a member.
If US beef is available, cheaper and better quality than that available from the UK, and none of those are hard to achieve, a significant number of the British public and many restaurants won't give a flying f**k about the other issues. Those that do will still buy British. How many currently know whether the are eating cheap Namibian Sanga or Nguni beef or even care to ask? How many caterers and restaurants ask Booker for the origin of the beef. Only the expensive better ones I wager.

 

[ollie989898]

There is either a massive tariff on it or a quota or both, to enter the EU of which we are currently a member.
If US beef is available, cheaper and better quality than that available from the UK, and none of those are hard to achieve, a significant number of the British public and many restaurants won't give a flying fudge about the other issues. Those that do will still buy British. How many currently know whether the are eating cheap Namibian Sanga or Nguni beef or even care to ask? How many caterers and restaurants ask Booker for the origin of the beef. Only the expensive better ones I wager.

So more assumptions. You are making assumptions on assumptions to reach a conclusion which is questionable to put it lightly.

US beef is cheaper and better quality?

Do you have any evidence for any of this. I've told you that it is perfectly AOK to import Namibian beef into the UK, I've seen the stuff myself. Yet it is not sold in supermarkets for what reason I cannot imagine. Similarly, I do not see French beef or German beef or anything besides UK or Irish on the shelf. Yet you are convinced US beef imports, if made possible are going to clear up? I can't see it myself.

 

[Werzle]

Usual anti brexit supects on this thread peddling project fear with there constant doom and gloom. Bloody fanatics who's main aim is to surrender because the futures abit cloudy.