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- Bedfordshire
So you have all that money invested for less than £10.50 an hour?
Reality of a No Deal Brexit
- Thread starter Bald Rick
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Homesy
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- Location
- North West Devon
Really. We joined the EEC. Look where we are now. The EU is has been moving to closer integration since its' inception Listen to what the EU politicians are saying. You either believe in a full United States of Europe, with one currency, full fiscal union with same taxes and welfare payments or you get out. You cannot stop the EU juggernaut just because the UK wants to. Everyone else is heading for full integration. There is no halfway house. If we stay in now we will be asked to drop our trousers and bend over. Let history be my judge.
GeorgeK
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- Leicestershire
Another year and I fear yet another year of holding off serious investment because it's impossible to know what the business environment will look like in a few months time. On the plus side, by going through all the kit with a fine tooth comb to try and get 'just one more year' out of it for the last 3 years, we've reduced our breakdowns to near zero. Hmmm... am I missing something?
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I thats it
Member
You'll survive, It might be tough for a while but if you want to you'll do it. We have in the past!
Farmer1001
Member
I’m pretty sure most want to do more than simply survive. Afterall Brexit was supposedly about prosperity, not simply surviving.
I thats it
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No one can be certain but the mid to long term outlook is OK in my opinion.
Brexit was about lots of things prosperity wasn't one for me.
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- Northumberland
Everything you have written there is total garbage nonsense!
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- Suffolk, UK
Err... No, not sure about any of the above.
gone up the hill
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- Location
- Devon
Really?
So you can give us a cast iron guarantee that NON of the things I posted will NOT happen in the next 10 years if we stay in the EU??............
Aye of course you can!.............................
gone up the hill
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- Location
- Devon
Any evidence to back that statement up?
Common knowledge for example that France and Germany are currently drawing up plans for an EU army!
Cows 'n grass
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- Location
- Modbury, South Devon
I think this picture sums up the reality which is that whatever the faults of the EU (imagined and real) it has given a higher priority to farming and food security that the UK would on it's own.
Since the repeal of the Corn Laws in the 1840's UK governments have given priority to cheap food. This was a political reality as we industrialised earlier than many other countries and our governments had therefore to appeal to an urban electorate. The two world wars were outliers during this period for obvious reasons as trade (especially in WWII) was disrupted.
The EU has a deeper institutional memory of starvation on the Continent during and for many years after WWII and hence has had a different outlook. The CAP for all it's faults took a Continent from starvation to butter mountains etc.
A stated aim of brexiteers like Jacob Rees-Mogg is to have cheaper food and clothing by imported them tarriff free from all over the world. Cheap food doesn't tend to lead to high farm gate prices.
Pro-Brexit economists (Patrick Minford) and anti-Brexit economists (most economists) broadly agree that Brexit will lead to a significant contraction in UK agricultural and industrial output.
This is just the reality now - whether you listen to the NFU, Nissan, Airbus, Vauxhaul, Jaguar Landrover and many others who are not household names.
As a remain voter I accept the vote to leave but leaving with No-Deal is an act of economic vandalism.
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- Bedfordshire
Industry is flying at the moment, we're the 6th biggest manufacturing country in the world.
You can't listen to car manufacturers, they seem to be blaming all their troubles on, except for Honda.
holstein654
Member
I think your missing the point we are currently still in the EU and yes industry is flying unemployment the lowest on record. The problems will come when/if we face tariffs on everything leaving the UK but our spineless muppets set all inbound tariffs to zero. If we have equal tariffs with a no deal fair enough or better than that a zero tariffs free trade agreement deal. But hey guess what we already have a completely integrated market with the largest trading block in the world, we are connected to it with a tunnel or a short water crossing already in place. Yes I respect the referendum but please stop the bullsh*t there is no shiny up side coming, everything will from an industry/trade agricultural export perspective will be worse than what we already have the best we can hope for is minimal disruptions and we can get back to somewhere near without opening the door to American/NZ/Australian beef/lamb/dairy. Yesterday the Americans put a 25% tarriff on dairy this will affect any current uk exports to the states directly plus if it affects the Irish butters that will also drive prices of butter across Europe lower. Free trade is key for everything the moment you add tariffs rules etc nobody wins.
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- Bedfordshire
I'm not talking bulls**t chap, you keep worrying as much as you like, we've got to leave sometime.
holstein654
Member
Not worrying just saying don’t expect the sunny rose tinted view that was being peddled 3 years ago. Agriculture is lower than whale poo in the view of politicians we just don’t matter. I think we have to leave even though I’d rather not. Just hoping that we do it in a way that agricultural suffers the least.
A simple free trade agreement would be great, why do we need 750 MEPs, european commission, european president, european council, european court, 2 parliaments to run and countless beaurocrats to facilitate such an agreement?
holstein654
Member
Because the alternative is a UK whose PMs bed is being kept warm by a vegan who shared a platform with George moonbat , Chris packham, Philip lymberry at the bird fair. We have a goldsmith at defra who’s spent years campaigning against agriculture. Michael give put Tony juniper as the chairman of Natural England pls look at some of these people. The 750 MEPs come from countries that Agricultural Matters they bring rationality to the debate.
The nonsense this week about nearest slaughter house is just the beginning we will have the most regulated industry from an environmental and welfare perspective in the world. Not that I’m against sensible regulations but jeez we will be importing from every sh*thole that will send cheap without any controls to keep food cheap.
Old man always said that in the 60/70/80 farming was a license to print money and we didn’t realise it we will look at this period in 10 years and wonder what happened.
holstein654
Member
Michael gove even