Blackmailed by my local doctor's surgery

ollie989898 · Mar 26, 2021

thesilentone said:
By far and away the majority of income going into a GP practice comes from the taxpayer- fact !

That might be true for most but certainly not all, GP surgeries do exist that you have to pay for privately. Won't just be any run of the mill doctor, either. I would be many of them are pretty senior fellows of the Royal College or specialists in some regard.

betweenthelines · Mar 26, 2021

thesilentone said:
By far and away the majority of income going into a GP practice comes from the taxpayer- fact !

Yes of course it does. Because the UK has a nationally funded, free at the point of use, health service.

And yes, you are definitely intellectually challenged.

thesilentone · Mar 26, 2021

betweenthelines said:
Yes of course it does. Because the UK has a nationally funded, free at the point of use, health service.

And yes, you are definitely intellectually challenged.

You're obviously touchy on this subject, judging by your need to be insulting.

However, having read your answers, they themselves only pose questions as opposed to answers, such as;

"If the job was that great then you would find people keen to have a career as a GP and very little in the way of vacancies - the number of GP practices having to close or be taken over by the NHS due to the inability to fill jobs tells a very different story. "

Do you not know the reason why ?

If not, for a small charge, I'll let you know.

TheTallGuy · Mar 26, 2021

thesilentone said:
By far and away the majority of income going into a GP practice comes from the taxpayer- fact !

And that money is for providing specific services - which doesn't include dealing with firearms applications!

thesilentone · Mar 26, 2021

TheTallGuy said:
And that money is for providing specific services - which doesn't include dealing with firearms applications!

If we assume that is the case, then it should not be cartelled by exclusively holding the information required for that service.

As we slide towards more and more GP's practices being taken over by large Private Companies, this is only going to get worse, and more expensive.

ollie989898 · Mar 26, 2021

thesilentone said:
If we assume that is the case, then it should not be cartelled by exclusively holding the information required for that service.

As we slide towards more and more GP's practices being taken over by large Private Companies, this is only going to get worse, and more expensive.

GP practices are ALREADY owned by private companies. The size, scale or nature of their shareholders is immaterial, they are still a privately owned business and their profits are theirs to do as they wish, the money isn't collected by government, the NHS or the tooth fairy.

JP1 · Mar 26, 2021

X344chap said:
You haven't paid for the Doctors already - GPs are self employed but have a contract with the NHS to provide healthcare. This healthcare contract doesn't include signing passports or helping police with their enquiries etc - so its time spent that the NHS doesn't pay for and so needs charged for.

If the job was that great then you would find people keen to have a career as a GP and very little in the way of vacancies - the number of GP practices having to close or be taken over by the NHS due to the inability to fill jobs tells a very different story.

Fair-do's

I don't shoot myself. If I want a dog shot whilst worrying my sheep, I can shoot it, try to sue the owner or call the police (they won't attend)

The alternative is a dog walker charge to offset against my many (and growing) expenses for the footpath usage

The GP contract was a car crash and actually now there is much much much less out of hours coverage and such that exists is not fit for purpose. The same applies to the entire Cinderella arm of social care.

JP1 · Mar 26, 2021

TheTallGuy said:
And that money is for providing specific services - which doesn't include dealing with firearms applications!

True. I've had many medicals for LGV licence renewals and also paid for SGL reviews. I think it should be taken completely out of GP's hands. Money should be put in to GP services for out of hours not locum services too. Put medicals in to a properly funded Occupational Health team who do the job right anyway

TheTallGuy · Mar 26, 2021

thesilentone said:
If we assume that is the case, then it should not be cartelled by exclusively holding the information required for that service.

As we slide towards more and more GP's practices being taken over by large Private Companies, this is only going to get worse, and more expensive.

Under BMA & NHS guidance access to the medical records should normally be without charge under a DPA SAR - and it is possible to consent to a 3rd party SAR. The problem is that license applications usually ask for a "factual report" which is not simply a copy of the records, hence why a charge can be made.

puppet · Mar 26, 2021

As I said before, you are entitled to a full copy of your medical records by legislation. I guess if you didn't want to pay for the report you might think you can just hand all your records over to the local police to sift through. Suspect you might get a flea in your ear but in the meantime they will know you had the clap at 19, that your brother was having an affair with the Inspectors wife or your sister took an overdose.
You may be surprised what is in your notes and that is why the GP only answers the relevant questions.

PDE1 · Mar 26, 2021

whether or not your gp should be doing these reports either for firearms or LGV is irrelevant as in both cases a government agency is insisting on them so here we are in the middle taking flak from both sides

ollie989898 · Mar 26, 2021

PDE1 said:
whether or not your gp should be doing these reports either for firearms or LGV is irrelevant as in both cases a government agency is insisting on them so here we are in the middle taking flak from both sides

I do believe your GP should be the person doing this as they are ultimately responsible for your care on a holistic basis. What I do not agree with is how they are charging for the service. I have no issue with the government wanting a medical opinion when it comes to the question of whether someone is medically fit to drive a truck or own a firearm, given that, in essence, we are asking the very same questions.

thesilentone · Mar 27, 2021

ollie989898 said:
I do believe your GP should be the person doing this as they are ultimately responsible for your care on a holistic basis. What I do not agree with is how they are charging for the service. I have no issue with the government wanting a medical opinion when it comes to the question of whether someone is medically fit to drive a truck or own a firearm, given that, in essence, we are asking the very same questions.

We have all just gone through, and will continue to go through for sometime, the worst period in our lives. All you hear and read about is what effect lock-down has had on people's mental state. Unless we have had a spate of shotgun murders or suicides, would it not be a great idea to drop the whole charade, other than for new applicants ?

holwellcourtfarm · Mar 27, 2021

PDE1 said:
My doctors won’t fill in the form because they object to people owning guns, so I have found a GP I know who will do it but I have got to get my med records. Now the doctors have to provide these within 28 days but you have to email them for a request form to do this. They ignored my email untill I chased them up by phone , I filled it in and delivered it to the surgery. Two weeks went by so I rang again to be told they had lost the form and I would have to do it again. This I did but a week later they can’t even confirm they have got the request let alone are going to deal with it. In the meantime I can’t start my renewal as it has to be done online and if you haven’t got your Gp report within 14 days you have to start all over again. It all feels like catch 22.

Complain. First, to the practice manager then up the line to the local care commissioning group. Surely it's either obstruction or incompetence.

ollie989898 · Mar 27, 2021

holwellcourtfarm said:
Complain. First, to the practice manager then up the line to the local care commissioning group. Surely it's either obstruction or incompetence.

CQC are the people to complain to.

ollie989898 · Mar 27, 2021

thesilentone said:
We have all just gone through, and will continue to go through for sometime, the worst period in our lives. All you hear and read about is what effect lock-down has had on people's mental state. Unless we have had a spate of shotgun murders or suicides, would it not be a great idea to drop the whole charade, other than for new applicants ?

No, it is important for both truck drivers and firearms owners and similar occupations.

TheTallGuy · Mar 27, 2021

ollie989898 said:
CQC are the people to complain to.

Or the Information Commissioners Office because as data controller the surgery has a duty to respond under DPA & GDPR. Loosing paperwork would suggest poor data handling processes!

betweenthelines · Mar 27, 2021

ollie989898 said:
I do believe your GP should be the person doing this as they are ultimately responsible for your care on a holistic basis. What I do not agree with is how they are charging for the service. I have no issue with the government wanting a medical opinion when it comes to the question of whether someone is medically fit to drive a truck or own a firearm, given that, in essence, we are asking the very same questions.

Two totally different things.

An LGV medical is about your physical health-eyesight, heart, sleep disorders etc.

A Firearms medical is about your mental health-depression, suicidal thoughts or physcopathy.

But both are to reduce the risk of doing harm to yourself or others

ollie989898 · Mar 27, 2021

TheTallGuy said:
Or the Information Commissioners Office because as data controller the surgery has a duty to respond under DPA & GDPR. Loosing paperwork would suggest poor data handling processes!

CQC would investigate a complaint regarding patient's medical data also.

ollie989898 · Mar 27, 2021

betweenthelines said:
Two totally different things.

An LGV medical is about your physical health-eyesight, heart, sleep disorders etc.

A Firearms medical is about your mental health-depression, suicidal thoughts or physcopathy.

But both are to reduce the risk of doing harm to yourself or others

It's basically the same thing though and I can't see anyone better than a person's GP to be doing it.

A psychopath in a truck could do more damage than someone with a gun...

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