Is anyone still buying side by side 12 bores ?

I had a hammer s/s Greener, both barrels full choked. It was a pigeon gun for shooting live pigeons before they invented clays. A lovely gun. I sold it to a Japanese client.

At one job I'd moved to, I was grumbling about not having a gun to shoot rabbits with. My boss promptly lent me his s/s sidlock Churchill.... They don't make bosses like that any more.
There's a house on a nasty bend in the road just out of the village here that was owned by Mr Greener,last of the gun family. He died sometime late seventies / early eighties it's changed hands several times but it's still known as "Greeeners corner". He taught my dad to shoot by trying to shoot bats at dusk in his garden. He told him "if you can hit a Bat you're fit to go from home"
 

C.J

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Livestock Farmer
Location
South Devon
I don't think I've ever laid eyes on a 16 bore. What are they all about? Seen plenty of good shots who near exclusively use a 20 bore.
Basically it's half way between a 12 and a 20.


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Dry Rot

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Livestock Farmer
Basically it's half way between a 12 and a 20.


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Well, the shotgun I inherited from my grandfather is a 13 bore! And that information came from the gunmaker who skimmed the barrels. And it was always "bore", not "gauge" which is Americanese. I suppose I should add that the "bore" is, I think, the number of spherical lead balls to make a pound that will exactly fit the barrel (except the .410) -- but I am sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
 

Clive

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Well, the shotgun I inherited from my grandfather is a 13 bore! And that information came from the gunmaker who skimmed the barrels. And it was always "bore", not "gauge" which is Americanese. I suppose I should add that the "bore" is, I think, the number of spherical lead balls to make a pound that will exactly fit the barrel (except the .410) -- but I am sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.


my clay shooting gun is a DT11 “12bore” however there was some debate at olympics about legality as they are over bored cones to 11 gauge apparently chambered for 12 ?
 
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tr250

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Northants
Well, the shotgun I inherited from my grandfather is a 13 bore! And that information came from the gunmaker who skimmed the barrels. And it was always "bore", not "gauge" which is Americanese. I suppose I should add that the "bore" is, I think, the number of spherical lead balls to make a pound that will exactly fit the barrel (except the .410) -- but I am sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
410 is a 36 bore I think
 

David.

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J11 M40
Well, the shotgun I inherited from my grandfather is a 13 bore! And that information came from the gunmaker who skimmed the barrels. And it was always "bore", not "gauge" which is Americanese. I suppose I should add that the "bore" is, I think, the number of spherical lead balls to make a pound that will exactly fit the barrel (except the .410) -- but I am sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
Fit the barrel at the end of the forcing cones, which at that point will usually be .729" diameter or thereabouts for a 12 bore.
If I remember correctly....
 

Sagecaster

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UK
16 bore is technically the best ballistically i’m told

i would get one if the cartridges were not so horribly expensive

20 is for boys, women and old men ! 🤣
I inherited a 16, a fantastic and beautiful gun and at 5lb 12oz beautifully light and on the traditional 15/16 oz load is a joy to use. Modern powders are much more punchy and it's difficult to find a load to suit such a light gun now. Sad to say for this reason I default to my more modern 12 more often than not now.
 
I inherited a 16, a fantastic and beautiful gun and at 5lb 12oz beautifully light and on the traditional 15/16 oz load is a joy to use. Modern powders are much more punchy and it's difficult to find a load to suit such a light gun now. Sad to say for this reason I default to my more modern 12 more often than not now.

Likewise, my Dad has an old Belgian 16 non-ejector. Lovely & light for carrying all day, but kicks like a rabid mule with modern cartridges.
 

Forkdriver

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Livestock Farmer
I love my 12 bore side by side Webley and Scott that dad bought me for my 15 birthday. I also shoot an o/u for clays and game but always go back to the Webley, even though it's value is far less than its worth to me.
My problem is the cost of game shooting now.
 

Anymulewilldo

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cheshire
I love my 12 bore side by side Webley and Scott that dad bought me for my 15 birthday. I also shoot an o/u for clays and game but always go back to the Webley, even though it's value is far less than its worth to me.
My problem is the cost of game shooting now.
I started with my grandads 20 bore o/u. Could shoot game like a demon with that. Then I came old enough too have my own. Dad said get a 12, cartridges are cheaper and it’s more versatile. So he bought me a Lanber o/u. Heavy gun but light recoil. Could sort of shoot alright with it. Then my back went wrong and I couldn’t stand a day on a peg holding the Lanber. So sold that too a mate and bought a nice little Sarasqueta SBS double trigger ejector. Really light, carry it all day. And the best thing is I can shoot with it! 23 birds for 57 shots on Monday. Back shooting like I should be!

But you are right about the cost! A decent days pheasant shooting (not all bleddy duck) is £600+
Managed 3 days this season after 1 day in the last 3 years. Had too accept duck too to get the price down reasonable
 

Forkdriver

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Livestock Farmer
I will never understand one thing, I had a guy who went all over Somerset shooting vermin for me where I spotted them on people's crops. He would have endless days of very busy shooting, mostly on pigeons or crows.

I never understand why vermin aren't more sought after for shooting, beats paying £30 a bird for it.
It's£48 round here.
 

Minesapint

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Location
Oxon
I started with my grandads 20 bore o/u. Could shoot game like a demon with that. Then I came old enough too have my own. Dad said get a 12, cartridges are cheaper and it’s more versatile. So he bought me a Lanber o/u. Heavy gun but light recoil. Could sort of shoot alright with it. Then my back went wrong and I couldn’t stand a day on a peg holding the Lanber. So sold that too a mate and bought a nice little Sarasqueta SBS double trigger ejector. Really light, carry it all day. And the best thing is I can shoot with it! 23 birds for 57 shots on Monday. Back shooting like I should be!

But you are right about the cost! A decent days pheasant shooting (not all bleddy duck) is £600+
Managed 3 days this season after 1 day in the last 3 years. Had too accept duck too to get the price down reasonable
I just can’t see the attraction of driven duck. Cheap numbers shooting, but the ethics are questionable imo. At least with other game there is more of a sporting element.
An old keeper told me many years ago that “everybody has a number”, and it now makes sense, perhaps I have killed enough!
PS, in no way having a dig at you about the ducks, it’s cheap shooting.
 

Anymulewilldo

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cheshire
I just can’t see the attraction of driven duck. Cheap numbers shooting, but the ethics are questionable imo. At least with other game there is more of a sporting element.
An old keeper told me many years ago that “everybody has a number”, and it now makes sense, perhaps I have killed enough!
PS, in no way having a dig at you about the ducks, it’s cheap shooting.
It’s the only way I can get pheasant at a price I can afford unfortunately. The only consolation is that there are a lot of wild duck on that shoot so you get some real sporting shots early on. But no, I just don’t get excited about standard driven duck at all, as you say the ethics of it don’t quite sit right for me. . Probably doesn’t help that I’m not madly keen on eating duck. I’ll shoot enough too keep us fed with it occasionally. Pheasant and partridge we eat for England so I will happily shoot at them all day long.
 

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