Tiverton and Honiton by-election

wanton dwarf · Jun 26, 2022

Exfarmer said:
All TRUE tories have always voted for what is best for the country and never concerned them selves with personal gain or profit, and voting UKIP has put us in the sh!t we are today.
So no, us true tories voted our way for years only for some jumped up alley cat garnered those UKIP votes for his own personal gain , when he never believed in the Brexit project himself

When I see a Fake Conservative do something best for the country I'll fall over dead in shock. Much like the Labour Party they are too busy blaming everyone else but themselves - which used to be the EU until that was taken off them.

Ashtree · Jun 26, 2022

wanton dwarf said:
When I see a Fake Conservative do something best for the country I'll fall over dead in shock. Much like the Labour Party they are too busy blaming everyone else but themselves - which used to be the EU until that was taken off them.

I propose you be anointed supreme leader forthwith. Your political voodoo doctrine, would so quickly have the country back sometime in the sixth century, that @Danllan would be forced to pull himself and a few of his mates out of retirement, to launch a coup d‘etat. I’m entirely confident, that they would throw you in shackles, and advance the country successfully into the seventh century.

caveman · Jun 26, 2022

Exfarmer said:
All TRUE tories have always voted for what is best for the country and never concerned them selves with personal gain or profit, and voting UKIP has put us in the sh!t we are today.
So no, us true tories voted our way for years only for some jumped up alley cat garnered those UKIP votes for his own personal gain , when he never believed in the Brexit project himself

Yeah.
I get it.
You just put your X in the blue box without giving a second thought about what it meant.

But keep voting blue for another twelve years of Boris.

robs1 · Jun 26, 2022

czechmate said:
putting infected people from hospital into care homes was a blinder

The question I always ask is where else could they go? The beds in hospitals were needed for people with covid, the ones moved out weren't I'll and while some did catch covid or spread it in homes they may well have done so anyway, not one person who has criticised the nhs for sending them to homes has come up with an alternative that would have worked, the nightingale hospitals weren't open.
Of course the radical solution which I suggested on another forum was for all those people who were furloughed was to look after their old folks at home, we did with my MiL despite us both still working,I accept not all could but many could have, of course easier to leave them in a home then blame the NHS

Hindsight · Jun 26, 2022

robs1 said:
The question I always ask is where else could they go? The beds in hospitals were needed for people with covid, the ones moved out weren't I'll and while some did catch covid or spread it in homes they may well have done so anyway, not one person who has criticised the nhs for sending them to homes has come up with an alternative that would have worked, the nightingale hospitals weren't open.
Of course the radical solution which I suggested on another forum was for all those people who were furloughed was to look after their old folks at home, we did with my MiL despite us both still working,I accept not all could but many could have, of course easier to leave them in a home then blame the NHS

Well said. Concurr. I have said the same. The question to actually ask is what was the contingency plan in the Flu epidemic exercise undertaken a few years previously. Though I appreciate that Covid was a new diseases therefore some of the Flu 'game playing' might not have been appropriate for a new disease, I let medics correct me, as I am sure they will.

Your second sentence is a truism. Hey ho. Always the governments fault, you know.

Hindsight · Jun 26, 2022

czechmate said:
putting infected people from hospital into care homes was a blinder

Get an unexpected bumper harvest, what do you do with those extra trailer loads that will not fit in the store, if noone else has spare capacity. Tip it in a heap on the concrete outside and take your chances.

czechmate · Jun 26, 2022

Hindsight said:
Get an unexpected bumper harvest, what do you do with those extra trailer loads that will not fit in the store, if noone else has spare capacity. Tip it in a heap on the concrete outside and take your chances.

yep, and my 99 year old aunt was infected in her care home… but she survived, well, actually she was unaffected by Covid

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BrianV · Jun 26, 2022

Hindsight said:
Well said. Concurr. I have said the same. The question to actually ask is what was the contingency plan in the Flu epidemic exercise undertaken a few years previously. Though I appreciate that Covid was a new diseases therefore some of the Flu 'game playing' might not have been appropriate for a new disease, I let medics correct me, as I am sure they will.

Your second sentence is a truism. Hey ho. Always the governments fault, you know.

As I understand it the government paid all private hospitals to remain empty on stand by, could not these have been used to discharge elderly patients to until they were tested free of COVID, seems an awful lot of money was spent on private hospitals for doing nothing!

bobk · Jun 26, 2022

BrianV said:
As I understand it the government paid all private hospitals to remain empty on stand by, could not these have been used to discharge elderly patients to until they were tested free of COVID, seems an awful lot of money was spent on private hospitals for doing nothing!

Not sure it was a govt decision , private hospitals didn't do operations in covid early days
Even now they have severe covid restrictions .

Hindsight · Jun 26, 2022

BrianV said:
As I understand it the government paid all private hospitals to remain empty on stand by, could not these have been used to discharge elderly patients to until they were tested free of COVID, seems an awful lot of money was spent on private hospitals for doing nothing!

Most likely - there is my spare rain storage. But and I say but as do not know maybe those private hospitals didn't want elderly patients but a different sort of patient. we await the Royal Commission report into Covid as these are the sort of questions it will ask. When is the Conservative Johnson led government arranging for this Commission to convene and take evidence, and what will be the breadth of its remit?

Lowland1 · Jun 26, 2022

czechmate said:
yep, and my 99 year old aunt was infected in her care home… but she survived, well, actually she was unaffected by Covid .

And my Dad got it in hospital and the nurses were too frightened/lazy to bring him a telephone. So we never saw him again. F… the NHS.

Hindsight · Jun 26, 2022

Lowland1 said:
And my Dad got it in hospital and the nurses were too frightened/lazy to bring him a telephone. So we never saw him again. F… the NHS.

But did you clap on a Thursday evening at 8pm?

Lowland1 · Jun 26, 2022

Hindsight said:
But did you clap on a Thursday evening at 8pm?

No i didn’t and I’ve two doctor sister in laws and my nurse practioneer cousin is here on holiday with me. The NHS is a British Leyland for the twenty first century in my opinion.

Danllan · Jun 26, 2022

Ashtree said:
I propose you be anointed supreme leader forthwith. Your political voodoo doctrine, would so quickly have the country back sometime in the sixth century, that @Danllan would be forced to pull himself and a few of his mates out of retirement, to launch a coup d‘etat. I’m entirely confident, that they would throw you in shackles, and advance the country successfully into the seventh century.

Ha!

DO YOU SUPPORT THE EU AND ITS MEMBERS SUPPORTING SPAIN BREAKING BOTH ITS OWN AND EU 'INTERNATIONAL' LAW... why are you so afraid to answer this? It's not a trick question and a simple yes or no will do, more if you like. But stop running away from it, doing so is rather pathetic.

In fact, thinking on it, and this holds good in what's left of law in the ROI too, silence is construed as indicating the positive case. So, unless you do come out and state otherwise, we can take it that you do support Spain breaking its own and EU 'international law', and the EU supporting its doing so, and other member states too.

That puts you in rather a difficult position.

wanton dwarf · Jun 26, 2022

Ashtree said:
I propose you be anointed supreme leader forthwith. Your political voodoo doctrine, would so quickly have the country back sometime in the sixth century, that @Danllan would be forced to pull himself and a few of his mates out of retirement, to launch a coup d‘etat. I’m entirely confident, that they would throw you in shackles, and advance the country successfully into the seventh century.

Ah topical stuff just for you Climate Obsessed losers:

Obviously not burning enough Witches, Heretics & Peat.

Try Democracy, rather than dictat by unelected bodies. aka CCC, EU, UN & WEF - your masters.

wanton dwarf · Jun 26, 2022

Hindsight said:
Most likely - there is my spare rain storage. But and I say but as do not know maybe those private hospitals didn't want elderly patients but a different sort of patient. we await the Royal Commission report into Covid as these are the sort of questions it will ask. When is the Conservative Johnson led government arranging for this Commission to convene and take evidence, and what will be the breadth of its remit?

I'd like to know who all the 1000s of consultants were getting £3000 a day. Who were still employed at the start of this year. What are they doing that is worth £3000 a day and who are they.

I'd also like to know where all the £Billions spent on Track & Trace went - £37 Billion I think (£500+ for every man woman & child in the UK) and around £7 Billion spent on PPE which is now being burnt. Why was or isnt the general public being given this PPE ? I bet vets & livestock owners could make use of some of it. If it's paper masks they could be used in waiting rooms.

robs1 · Jun 26, 2022

wanton dwarf said:
I'd like to know who all the 1000s of consultants were getting £3000 a day. Who were still employed at the start of this year. What are they doing that is worth £3000 a day and who are they.

I'd also like to know where all the £Billions spent on Track & Trace went - £37 Billion I think (£500+ for every man woman & child in the UK) and around £7 Billion spent on PPE which is now being burnt. Why was or isnt the general public being given this PPE ? I bet vets & livestock owners could make use of some of it. If it's paper masks they could be used in waiting rooms.

Because civil servants dont use their brains, it's not their money so dont care, just take the easiest way out for themselves

wanton dwarf · Jun 26, 2022

Lowland1 said:
No i didn’t and I’ve two doctor sister in laws and my nurse practioneer cousin is here on holiday with me. The NHS is a British Leyland for the twenty first century in my opinion.

Should have been doing preventative care decades ago. Our family is going through getting blood tests for high iron levels - which were on my brothers records for years but ignored (Leads to degredation of your body and cancer). I guess there is just no money in keeping people healthy.

BTW the solution to high iron blood levels is to drain blood - takes a month or two for levels to increase again.

Lowland1 · Jun 26, 2022

wanton dwarf said:
Should have been doing preventative care decades ago. Our family is going through getting blood tests for high iron levels - which were on my brothers records for years but ignored (Leads to degredation of your body and cancer). I guess there is just no money in keeping people healthy.

BTW the solution to high iron blood levels is to drain blood - takes a month or two for levels to increase again.

Do something about the health of the nation are you mad? There are far too many vested interests from the food industry (processed and fast) through the pharmaceutical industry through to the NHS itself (1.5 million employees). Having had a wife with cancer i am amazed at what you can do to help yourself rather than rely on a cocktail of drugs that cause as much harm as good.

wanton dwarf · Jun 26, 2022

Lowland1 said:
Do something about the health of the nation are you mad? There are far too many vested interests from the food industry (processed and fast) through the pharmaceutical industry through to the NHS itself (1.5 million employees). Having had a wife with cancer i am amazed at what you can do to help yourself rather than rely on a cocktail of drugs that cause as much harm as good.

I do think there are medical professionals who are getting well educated, keeping upto date with the latest technology and caring for patients.

However, I've also experienced some very bad Consultants in the NHS.

I don't think anything will change until pay is related to outcomes - ie National rate of ill health as a %age directly proportionate to pay. Should be viable as healthy people cost less.

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