When rewilding goes wrong , (graphic image)

egbert · Sep 10, 2020

Poorbuthappy said:
Not sure i can like that, but nature sure is cruel.
To my mind the miliant vegan types show a complete disconnect with the natural word in their insistence that we do nothing at all that affects animals.

Theirs is a grossly simplified view of how the world works.
I've taken it to pieces in several pieces over the years, and it's facile to pretend a human being living in our modern world, can tiptoe through life with 'no blood on their hands'

a good killer punchline is to ask why the seagulls are following the tractor tilling ground for their lentils?

sheep breeder · Sep 12, 2020

That wolf attack’s in France is going on for a while this summer, can’t understand why they don’t get out track and take care of the problem and into a hole in the ground and say no more. A guy from the city moved to the country with 3 big dogs and let them out after work in the evening and put them back into the pen in the morning. After a week he was looking for his 3 pets around the road. They were shot and into a back fill of a new slatted tank and killed no more sheep. the biggest problem with a dog attack is the sheep are never the same again and are traumatised.

andybk · Sep 12, 2020

sheep breeder said:
That wolf attack’s in France is going on for a while this summer, can’t understand why they don’t get out track and take care of the problem and into a hole in the ground and say no more. A guy from the city moved to the country with 3 big dogs and let them out after work in the evening and put them back into the pen in the morning. After a week he was looking for his 3 pets around the road. They were shot and into a back fill of a new slatted tank and killed no more sheep. the biggest problem with a dog attack is the sheep are never the same again and are traumatised.

Animals like that prob have trackers , you would need to be VERY careful

primmiemoo · Sep 12, 2020

egbert said:
Theirs is a grossly simplified view of how the world works.
I've taken it to pieces in several pieces over the years, and it's facile to pretend a human being living in our modern world, can tiptoe through life with 'no blood on their hands'

a good killer punchline is to ask why the seagulls are following the tractor tilling ground for their lentils?

It's fascinating when the ones who consider themselves especially intelligent change tack to patronising explanations about animal sentience at around that point.

egbert · Sep 12, 2020

andybk said:
Animals like that prob have trackers , you would need to be VERY careful

Risk to farmers varies from country to country within EU.
Some can protect their stock how they see fit, others can scarcely risk it.

Bury the Trash · Sep 12, 2020

egbert said:
Theirs is a grossly simplified view of how the world works.
I've taken it to pieces in several pieces over the years, and it's facile to pretend a human being living in our modern world, can tiptoe through life with 'no blood on their hands'

a good killer punchline is to ask why the seagulls are following the tractor tilling ground for their lentils?

No til

Blue. · Sep 12, 2020

andybk said:
Animals like that prob have trackers , you would need to be VERY careful

Best to chuck them in an incinerator.

egbert · Sep 12, 2020

eulb said:
Best to chuck them in an incinerator.

er....'last known position'

steveR · Sep 12, 2020

egbert said:
er....'last known position'

Rivers seem a useful means of disposal over the years...

andybk · Sep 12, 2020

steveR said:
Rivers seem a useful means of disposal over the years...

someone shot a pet cat in a near village on keepered estate , but didnt kill it ,some years back, it was taken to vets where bullet was removed , reported to police , Police firearms called in all local rifles of right calibre to see if they could identify gun involved , we never heard if successful , but dont underestimate the environmentalists involved in these projects . Lots of trail cams also used these days , just not worth taking the chance

Blue. · Sep 12, 2020

egbert said:
er....'last known position'

“Must have been nosing around the deadstock”

Wisconsonian · Sep 12, 2020

Not too long ago the natural resources community in the US was teaching that wolves would never expand their range beyond their "suitable" habitat, they won't breed if they don't have "unbroken roadless wilderness", they will only attack domestic animals if they're crossbred with domestic dogs, etc. etc. I'll assume they actually believed this at the time. All of it is nonsense now with wolf packs expanding into mostly agricultural areas with 40 acre woodlots.

There were a few years of hunting and trapping (Wisconsin), then brought back under federal endangered species act protections, zero lethal control, USDA sets live traps as if it's a lone bear that's eating out of garbage cans in a city. Wolves are still wild enough to be difficult to hunt or trap. They were hunted with packs of dogs, or trapped. Not practical for a farmer to control. We're coming out of a bottleneck in the population where it would seem logical to select a population that avoids humans. IF anybody wants wolves and farming to coexist. I'm afraid most of the American public wants as much wildlife as possible because THEIR food doesn't come from livestock, it comes from the supermarket. Even after a couple months where you'd see a bare shelf here and there in the supermarket, there's no grasp of what it takes to keep their rears fat and lazy. IF the goal was preserving a population of wolves without human conflicts (wolves killing children near suburbia within 20 years), then an open season on wolves on any inhabited farm, within sight of a road, in an unforested area during daylight, or a wilderness area in the plain sight of humans, would all be sensible steps to assure a population of wolves in wilderness. Anybody who opposes such common sense management, I would be inclined to believe is in favor of the intentional decline of civilization.

Tim W · Sep 13, 2020

If you have a problem

eulb said:
Best to chuck them in an incinerator.

One thing i have learnt about protest is that if you want it to work you have to do it ----
1) As a last resort
2) After demonstrating you have tried all other options
3) In the open for all to see with back up from friends/legal team

In the case of a wolf /lynx killing lots of livestock 3) could mean shooting it and taking the carcass to DEFRA in a very public way with full support of fellow farmers and NSA/NFU ----
If you believe something you do is right you have to be prepared to stand by it , that way you will gain support from others suffering the same problem and members of the public

neilo · Sep 13, 2020

egbert said:
er....'last known position'

Chuck them in someone else’s incinerator?

Kevtherev · Sep 13, 2020

neilo said:
Chuck them in someone else’s incinerator?

Put the tracker on a sheep or squirrel

egbert · Sep 13, 2020

neilo said:
Chuck them in someone else’s incinerator?

some Spanish rascal was shooting wolves, and hanging them in the town bus shelter...seems to have stopped again lately, although I couldn't say whether thats because he has stopped, or because his campaign was concluded!

Blue. · Sep 13, 2020

This reminds me of a local farmer shooting dogs,police turned up one day asking if he’d seen a dog,he was sh1tting it because his farm dog was now running about with the collar off said dog round it’s neck.

egbert · Sep 13, 2020

eulb said:
This reminds me of a local farmer shooting dogs,police turned up one day asking if he’d seen a dog,he was sh1tting it because his farm dog was now running about with the collar off said dog round it’s neck.

i was fairly well in my cups when introduced to the new (lawyer) wife of an urban cousin.
When I let slip what happens to cats found clambering on my silage bale stacks, she seemed shocked.

I explained that one such creature had ripped 200 bales at the back of the main stack one year, doing circa £10/bale damage.
Was an owner going to stump up? Or keep their feline off my property?
No, of course not.

What is the law in such matters?

Blue. · Sep 13, 2020

egbert said:
i was fairly well in my cups when introduced to the new (lawyer) wife of an urban cousin.
When I let slip what happens to cats found clambering on my silage bale stacks, she seemed shocked.

I explained that one such creature had ripped 200 bales at the back of the main stack one year, doing circa £10/bale damage.
Was an owner going to stump up? Or keep their feline off my property?
No, of course not.

What is the law in such matters?

Not sure “I will ask for forgiveness not permission”

Ffermer Bach · Sep 13, 2020

MRT said:
The mental gymnastics of those who get very upset about deer being shot or hunting with dogs yet advocate wolves is impressive

cognitive dissonance
In the field of psychology, cognitive dissonance occurs when a person holds contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values, and is typically experienced as psychological stress when they participate in an action that goes against one or more of them. Wikipedia

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