Envirotarded

DaveGrohl

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Cumbria
Tight git that I am haven't read it since getting it free as a student. The reason for picking that article out was that it quotes a succession of experts, supposedly on our side, who say that we need to cut methane from cows to save the planet. As per the OP, environmentalism outweighing common sense. If we are guilty of it, we're not in much of a position to criticise others.
The "experts" are not we.
 

Farmer_Joe

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
The North
How about a place to put stories from the press of environmentalism outweighing common sense?

I’ll start.

Here’s local farmer disliker and all round complete bellend, Jim Crumley, who in a time of rising energy prices and market uncertainty, thinks we should bulldoze our hydro-electric schemes.


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Total cock,

Its there now you will just create more harm removing it best thing it to just let it overflow then the original river will be unchanged

what sort of retard gives theses nob ends the ability to publish this drivel?
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
paper straws ………. wrapped in plastic

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melted welly

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
DD9.
Total cock,

Its there now you will just create more harm removing it best thing it to just let it overflow then the original river will be unchanged

what sort of retard gives theses nob ends the ability to publish this drivel?
He retired several years ago but resurfaced during lockdown, unfortunately. Big fan of rewilding too.
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
How about a place to put stories from the press of environmentalism outweighing common sense?

I’ll start.

Here’s local farmer disliker and all round complete bellend, Jim Crumley, who in a time of rising energy prices and market uncertainty, thinks we should bulldoze our hydro-electric schemes.


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A lot of truth in what he has written
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
I notice he didnt say we could saving huge amounts of energy by wearing more clothes in winter and turn of the heating, that is the easiest way every single person could help the planet, wouldnt cost a penny but would save money for everyone, these idiots see a problem but never put forward a solution,
and wear older clothes, don't throw them out (well actually cut up and use as dusters) until they are completely worn out and threadbare.
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
NZ Farmers rep interviewed on radio this morning and explaining logically why methane use in NZ ag is not lumped in with other carbon reduction measurements due to a half life of 12 years . News elsewhere still saying ruminant ag is one of the big baddies and how we can feed and save the World by reducing meat consumption

None of them cite Allan Savory and how pasture expansion can save the World from droughts
maybe in a round about way they are right, get rid of the animals, half the human population starve to death, the half left learn to live off mixed farming with animals and happy days!
 

melted welly

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
DD9.
maybe in a round about way they are right, get rid of the animals, half the human population starve to death, the half left learn to live off mixed farming with animals and happy days!
There seems to be an element of a scorched earth policy amongst environmental thinkers just now, where all that went before is evil and must be finished with, and replaced with corporate interests…..
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
In that article or in his wider output?
I have read in the past that hydro schemes are not that good environmentally and should be looked at more in a broader picture, I have never heard of him other than reading that article. I tend not to read too much of the environmental stuff as it usually just annoys me because of their blinkers and seeming take over by the militant vegan and net zero brigade.
 

Extreme Optimist

Member
Livestock Farmer
I'm all for giving the earth back to wildlife, but to do that the number of homosapians needs to be reduced (I know said it 50 times on here before)

Ballooning human population with the lifestyle demands they expect is not conducive to nature and wildlife.

Currently we are digging up, burning and plundering resources as fast as we possibly can, it's completely unsustainable and it's impossible to return it back to a more natural state until there's less of us.

We are in a state of denial and believe (wrongly) that we are going to invent amazing new technologies that will allow us to enjoy all the comforts we do now with no cost to the planet and with no reduction in numbers.
But which politician is going to come out and say that to people who vote for him/her?? And how do you get rid of 2 billion people across the age spectrum? Covid MK2? Monkeypox?
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
There seems to be an element of a scorched earth policy amongst environmental thinkers just now, where all that went before is evil and must be finished with, and replaced with corporate interests…..
not saying that all hydro schemes are bad, but their output in the past wasn't balanced against the ecological costs, so a true picture of their usefulness wasn't looked at. And unintended consequences such as filing up with silt etc.
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
There seems to be an element of a scorched earth policy amongst environmental thinkers just now, where all that went before is evil and must be finished with, and replaced with corporate interests…..
I think the elephant in the room is the corporate interests and how they are driving all the current lab based meat, rewilding, vegan etc agenda. And the majority of the population are falling for it!
 

Old Tup

Member
Have you just been shouting at the tele too by any chance?😂 Monty Don was loving it, unsurprisingly.
Having trouble keeping a straight face with Monty and how wonderful Beavers are….
They even went to Devon to interview a Beaver expert…
Seriously though lucky the BBC had the foresight to have travelled to Devon to have the Beaver bit ready for the show….unless of course RHS had tipped them off a week or two in advance who was going to win.
 

melted welly

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
DD9.
not saying that all hydro schemes are bad, but their output in the past wasn't balanced against the ecological costs, so a true picture of their usefulness wasn't looked at. And unintended consequences such as filing up with silt etc.
Jim provides absolutely no alternative ideas for energy production though, just a fleeting dig at tidal as well. If half of his article was about viable alternative ideas and solutions, then it’d be of worth. He doesn’t like turbines, doesn’t like biomass, doesn’t like hydro, doesn’t like fossil fuels, doesn’t like tidal, pretty sure he doesn’t like solar either……. Must be a nuclear chap.
 

hoff135

Member
Location
scotland
But which politician is going to come out and say that to people who vote for him/her?? And how do you get rid of 2 billion people across the age spectrum? Covid MK2? Monkeypox?
No one needs to be killed

We need the birth rate to fall. Africa's population is expected to double by 2050, its already bad enough there that plenty are contemplating or trying to come to Europe.

We have to face facts that this is not sustainable, or mother nature will control our numbers for us with force. If there was half of us there would be half the damage done and double the amount of resources available. And a lot less trouble.
 

Farmer_Joe

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
The North
There seems to be an element of a scorched earth policy amongst environmental thinkers just now, where all that went before is evil and must be finished with, and replaced with corporate interests…..
True environments would all end their lives early to stop the impact on the planet, anything but is just selfish on their part.
 

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