Submitting BPS

Kryten · Apr 17, 2023

As in the title, has anyone submitted their claim yet and are there any pitfalls that are new to 2023?

I've been through and made the usual corrections on the form, all the codes seem right, declarations have been made - I just wanted a bit of reassurance I'd not forgotten something before I press the go button.

chaffcutter · Apr 17, 2023

Yes done ours last week, included the CS AB8 in the claimed area as per instructions same as the cropped area, AB9 entered separate area as mixed crop, confirmed this detail with a phone call but I seemed to have read the details in the blurb better than the chap I spoke to!

Kryten · Apr 17, 2023

chaffcutter said:
Yes done ours last week, included the CS AB8 in the claimed area as per instructions same as the cropped area, AB9 entered separate area as mixed crop, confirmed this detail with a phone call but I seemed to have read the details in the blurb better than the chap I spoke to!

I've got AB9 on the CS agreement and use AC58 for BPS, which seem to be what they want!

Try to succeed · May 9, 2023

chaffcutter said:
Yes done ours last week, included the CS AB8 in the claimed area as per instructions same as the cropped area, AB9 entered separate area as mixed crop, confirmed this detail with a phone call but I seemed to have read the details in the blurb better than the chap I spoke to!

Did the say that is a requirement? They told upon checking every year to include stewardship areas in the main cropping option. So 1ha of AB9 and 8ha of wheat would just be 9ha of the wheat code?

chaffcutter · May 9, 2023

Yes that’s right for AB8, seems daft to me, it would have been much clearer to give the CS a new code and entered it separately, we did that with AB9 which I have entered as mixed cropping, can’t remember the code atm though.
iI think if you included it all with the main crop I don’t think it would matter to be honest but I was just playing safe.

Hindsight · May 9, 2023

Try to succeed said:
Did the say that is a requirement? They told upon checking every year to include stewardship areas in the main cropping option. So 1ha of AB9 and 8ha of wheat would just be 9ha of the wheat code?

chaffcutter said:
Yes that’s right for AB8, seems daft to me, it would have been much clearer to give the CS a new code and entered it separately, we did that with AB9 which I have entered as mixed cropping, can’t remember the code atm though.
iI think if you included it all with the main crop I don’t think it would matter to be honest but I was just playing safe.

AB9 Bird Cover must be entered as a separate code on the BPS. See link below.

Rural payments: land use codes 2023

What land use codes to use in 2023 when declaring land in a rural payments application such as the Basic Payment Scheme (BPS) and Countryside Stewardship (CS).

www.gov.uk

Try to succeed · May 10, 2023

Hindsight said:
AB9 Bird Cover must be entered as a separate code on the BPS. See link below.

Rural payments: land use codes 2023

What land use codes to use in 2023 when declaring land in a rural payments application such as the Basic Payment Scheme (BPS) and Countryside Stewardship (CS).

www.gov.uk

Thank you Hindsight

Princess Pooper · May 10, 2023

Can anyone point me to the definitions of those codes AC58-62 please (being used for CS AB9) what are the mixed crop groups 1, 2 etc? Can't find the details anywhere. Realised I did it wrong last year and coded the wild bird seed the same as the rest of the field!

Try to succeed · May 10, 2023

Princess Pooper said:
Can anyone point me to the definitions of those codes AC58-62 please (being used for CS AB9) what are the mixed crop groups 1, 2 etc? Can't find the details anywhere. Realised I did it wrong last year and coded the wild bird seed the same as the rest of the field!

I did that in previous years as was told to do so on the phone each year I asked to clarify. I have asked them again this morning and the jist was ‘it doesn’t really matter’. I’m sure they wouldn’t accept that as an excuse so pushed a bit more, and the verdict was put AB9 down as FA01 fallow.

Princess Pooper · May 10, 2023

I've already updated it to AC58 and resubmitted, but I really can't see that it matters!! Where it's a part parcel it's a lot easier to just keep the same code as the main crop and not have to faff around changing land use codes and areas.

Hindsight · May 10, 2023

Princess Pooper said:
I've already updated it to AC58 and resubmitted, but I really can't see that it matters!! Where it's a part parcel it's a lot easier to just keep the same code as the main crop and not have to faff around changing land use codes and areas.

If you look at the link I posted the correct code for AB9 is either FA01 or any from AC58 to AC 62.

yellow belly · May 10, 2023

The mixed crop codes have no definition of what species so when you plant more than 1 type of mixture you need 2 2 or more mixed crop recording which mixture where

imho the inclusion of cs option as the main crop area leads to the statistic for the area of crops being over inflated and then the market does not know the true area so then over estimates the total tonnes of grain produced

Princess Pooper · May 10, 2023

yellow belly said:
The mixed crop codes have no definition of what species so when you plant more than 1 type of mixture you need 2 2 or more mixed crop recording which mixture where

imho the inclusion of cs option as the main crop area leads to the statistic for the area of crops being over inflated and then the market does not know the true area so then over estimates the total tonnes of grain produced

Don't think the data from BPS forms is used for any sort of harvest projections, (and data wouldn't be processed and validated in time to be of any use.) I think AHDB do a planted crops survey for that? (Don't have arable here now).

Hindsight · May 10, 2023

yellow belly said:
The mixed crop codes have no definition of what species so when you plant more than 1 type of mixture you need 2 2 or more mixed crop recording which mixture where

imho the inclusion of cs option as the main crop area leads to the statistic for the area of crops being over inflated and then the market does not know the true area so then over estimates the total tonnes of grain produced

AHDB analysts did review this in a report some months ago. Took the BPS annual data which is published and compared with DEFRA June survey.

Flat 10 · May 10, 2023

Hindsight said:
AHDB analysts did review this in a report some months ago. Took the BPS annual data which is published and compared with DEFRA June survey.

What did they say?

Hindsight · May 11, 2023

Flat 10 said:
What did they say?

Analyst Insight: BPS or June Survey – what should I believe? | AHDB

The latest Defra basics payments data was released this morning showing the total area of land eligible for direct payments in the 2019/20 cropping year for England. The data highlights some important and significant changes in crop areas relative to the Defra June Survey. Both surveys have...

ahdb.org.uk

Vader · May 11, 2023

Hindsight said:
AB9 Bird Cover must be entered as a separate code on the BPS. See link below.

Rural payments: land use codes 2023

What land use codes to use in 2023 when declaring land in a rural payments application such as the Basic Payment Scheme (BPS) and Countryside Stewardship (CS).

www.gov.uk

Another stupid waste of time that's even confusing their own staff.

AB9 is on their system as it's in a scheme.
Why record it again?

Vader · May 11, 2023

Try to succeed said:
I did that in previous years as was told to do so on the phone each year I asked to clarify. I have asked them again this morning and the jist was ‘it doesn’t really matter’. I’m sure they wouldn’t accept that as an excuse so pushed a bit more, and the verdict was put AB9 down as FA01 fallow.

Bloke on phone said use ac58 for AB9
So i said, do i have to make a seperate parcel for the AB9 then if its in a crop field.
he said no??!?
So i more confused.
upto this year, if any enviro stuff is part of a main crop field I was tolds to just use main crop.
if all field is enviro then FA01

So if i got 10 acre field
9 acre wheat
1 acre AB9
Do I now have to put the 1 acre AB9 down as a part field??

edit.
found this:
You can still declare under the main BPS land use code for your land parcel:

agri-environment field margins
buffer strips
field corners
beetle banks
other areas not permanently divided from the rest of the land parcel

Vader · May 11, 2023

yellow belly said:
The mixed crop codes have no definition of what species so when you plant more than 1 type of mixture you need 2 2 or more mixed crop recording which mixture where

imho the inclusion of cs option as the main crop area leads to the statistic for the area of crops being over inflated and then the market does not know the true area so then over estimates the total tonnes of grain produced

can they be right anyway?
weather makes more difference on tonnage than a bit of enviro stuff

Flat 10 · May 12, 2023

Hindsight said:
Analyst Insight: BPS or June Survey – what should I believe? | AHDB

The latest Defra basics payments data was released this morning showing the total area of land eligible for direct payments in the 2019/20 cropping year for England. The data highlights some important and significant changes in crop areas relative to the Defra June Survey. Both surveys have...

ahdb.org.uk

Thank you. Do people really not bother filling it in properly?!

and I know I sound like an embittered farmer but has any data ever benefitted us? If usda, hgca predict good harvests, then prices ease but on any rare occasions that there’s prediction of a shortage then it’s already priced in.

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