Rochdale By Election

Lowland1 said:

Thing is 67 % of the people voted to retain FPTP in the 2011 referendum which is significantly more than the 51% who voted to leave the EU but if it's o.k to leave the EU then it's most certainly ok to keep the present voting system which keeps the maniacs at bay .

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Danllan said:

I am glad we agree that the results of referenda must always be respected in a democracy.

The referendum in 2011 offered a choice between FPTP and AV, not direct PR. It was what the LDs could weedle out of the Conservatives on the issue, and was a complete sell-out from Clegg and Co. who had, hitherto, advocated simple PR.

Although... to be fair, the LDs were even nauseating hypocrites in their advocacy of PR, since they wanted there to be a threshold that would exclude independents and small parties - like you, they think that people who don't vote in a way they approve of are maniacs.

In passing, and with no relation to this subject at all, do you still believe in a great sky pixie for which their is no evidence at all, or have you come to your senses and abandoned superstition, religion etc.?

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Hindsight said:

Well I never. A speech outside No10. Usually reserved for war breaking out or announcing the death of the Monarch. And fifth year school boy Sunak gets all worked up over Gorgeous George. He of the red catsuit and Fedora. Rabbits on about the end of democracy and the rule of he mob. Such mirth, such fun.

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fudge said:

It’s hard to believe Rishi doesn’t understand the irony of him warning against mob rule. The Conservative mob have systematically committed fraud, both financial and political, telling an avalanche of lies and stealing whole barrow loads of cash for their mates. Time for him to put his defence of his corrupt party to the electorate.

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Danllan said:

In passing, and with no relation to this subject at all, do you still believe in a great sky pixie for which their is no evidence at all, or have you come to your senses and abandoned superstition, religion etc.?

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Danllan said:

I am glad we agree that the results of referenda must always be respected in a democracy.

The referendum in 2011 offered a choice between FPTP and AV, not direct PR. It was what the LDs could weedle out of the Conservatives on the issue, and was a complete sell-out from Clegg and Co. who had, hitherto, advocated simple PR.

Although... to be fair, the LDs were even nauseating hypocrites in their advocacy of PR, since they wanted there to be a threshold that would exclude independents and small parties - like you, they think that people who don't vote in a way they approve of are maniacs.

In passing, and with no relation to this subject at all, do you still believe in a great sky pixie for which their is no evidence at all, or have you come to your senses and abandoned superstition, religion etc.?

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Ashtree said:

Do YOU, believe that a nation of “subjects”, who are subject to a medieval feudalistic monarchy, and are further constrained by the shackles of a borderline undemocratic FPTP electoral system, AND subject to a foreign court (ECJ) without say or participation in the EU, AND with an internal customs border, subject to EU rules and regulations, can claim to be a free, democratic and sovereign nation.
I’m asking on behalf of Sammy Wilson, MP, who bleats constantly in the HOC echo chamber, about the treachery of London. Poor chap, just hears his own echo coming back at him in stereophonic glory. The funny thing is, his own echo annoys even himself.

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tractorsandcows said:

That's not an echo that's Jim Allister

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Ashtree said:

Do YOU, believe that a nation of “subjects”, who are subject to a medieval feudalistic monarchy, and are further constrained by the shackles of a borderline undemocratic FPTP electoral system, AND subject to a foreign court (ECJ) without say or participation in the EU, AND with an internal customs border, subject to EU rules and regulations, can claim to be a free, democratic and sovereign nation.
I’m asking on behalf of Sammy Wilson, MP, who bleats constantly in the HOC echo chamber, about the treachery of London. Poor chap, just hears his own echo coming back at him in stereophonic glory. The funny thing is, his own echo annoys even himself.

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robs1 said:

Well at least when we vote our country doesn't get told to keep voting until the right answer is given.

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czechmate said:

that’s one of your problems

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Lowland1 said:

Yes still believing. It’s of great comfort to me to know that folks like you will be burning in the eternal fires of damnation but anyway if I’m wrong you’ve got plenty of vitriol going on inside to cook you from the inside anyway. Honestly you really need to lighten up a bit life really isn’t about trying to score points off other people all the time. Well actually that’s your job so i might be wrong but it must be nice to have absolute certainty in your beliefs. Me I like to think there’s a reason why things happen but not necessarily understanding the reason isn’t a problem.

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flinty123 said:

In your opinion are all those who belive in religion backwards?

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Ashtree said:

Do YOU, believe that a nation of “subjects”, who are subject to a medieval feudalistic monarchy, and are further constrained by the shackles of a borderline undemocratic FPTP electoral system, AND subject to a foreign court (ECJ) without say or participation in the EU, AND with an internal customs border, subject to EU rules and regulations, can claim to be a free, democratic and sovereign nation.
I’m asking on behalf of Sammy Wilson, MP, who bleats constantly in the HOC echo chamber, about the treachery of London. Poor chap, just hears his own echo coming back at him in stereophonic glory. The funny thing is, his own echo annoys even himself.

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robs1 said:

Well at least when we vote our country doesn't get told to keep voting until the right answer is given.

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Ashtree said:

Au contraire! We, the people told the government, the establishment and the EU, to pee off, and come back with a much better deal.
They did after lengthy public consultation, come back with sensible wording and legal structure and assurances. We gave our approval. In ROI, our votes count, and government has to think carefully before changing anything constitutionally based.
We have another referendum in a few weeks on family law etc. Changes proffered by government after a long and lengthy consultation process and citizens assembly involvement.

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linga said:

Getting back to Rochdale.
someone told me yesterday that 75% of votes cast were postal.
If true it seems quite a high percentage.

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flinty123 said:

I wouldn't worry too much about how the votes are cast. Rishi will be handing out more free money soon, in order to win the next election.

Long after he has moved to warmer climates, our grandchildren will be selling off chunks of our country and infrastructure to China etc, in order to finance the interest payments on the borrowing he incurred.

Threads like this highlight how the over 50 generation are totally out of touch with how the mainstream parties are destroying our country, they believe George is the real problem!.

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Danllan said:

Good to read that your Christian spirit is true to form...


I don't belive in anything other than my house...

I do known that all who believe in the supernatural are delusional.

I also know that many intelligent people who, in every other regard display rational behaviour and make proper use of their critical faculties, suspend these when it comes to religion. Intelligence is an inherent thing, so it doesn't disappear or diminish because of religious belief. However, their 'faith' certainly does greatly detract from the degree of wisdom these people would otherwise be perceived as possessing.

And I know that a huge number of very ignorant and / or very stupid people are also taken in by the lies of the religions. And that the number of people not brought up in 'faith' who turn to it is far, far less than those raised with a 'faith' who turn away from it.


YOU know I'm a repbublican and advocate pure PR, so that leaves me in the same position here as are people in the ROI who want their country to abandon being a defence parasite, scrap 'neutrality' and join NATO, help Ukraine etc., i.e. constitutionally shafted.

One part of the UK is partially subject to one aspect of EU law, for now; the rest isn't. All of the ROI lost its sovereignty ages ago, as YOU admitted after several years of denial.

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flinty123 said:

With respect what's the difference between a Christian and yourself?

They follow Jesus and you follow Rishi? Regardless of what he does, you will still suspend your critical faculties and vote Conservative. No different to a Christian following Jesus, you will blindly follow your leader Rishi.

Would you not accept that the Christian faith is far more principled in contrast to the Conservative party, adultery, lying, theft, allowing the death of innocent civilians etc are all prohibited in Christianity

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