19th October 2023

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
Some have suggested that the referendum should be allowed, provided there were regional ones within Scotland asking if, in the case that a majority of Scotland votes to leave, they would like to remain a part of the UK. After all, that's what the SNP was suggesting regarding Brexit, and only opportunistic hypocrites wouldn't offer the same chance to their own voters... surely? :unsure:

Anyway, this would be a decision about breaking up the UK as a whole, a single sovereign entity, so it's only right the whole UK should decide on the matter. (y)
 

bobk

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Location
stafford
Some have suggested that the referendum should be allowed, provided there were regional ones within Scotland asking if, in the case that a majority of Scotland votes to leave, they would like to remain a part of the UK. After all, that's what the SNP was suggesting regarding Brexit, and only opportunistic hypocrites wouldn't offer the same chance to their own voters... surely? :unsure:

Anyway, this would be a decision about breaking up the UK as a whole, a single sovereign entity, so it's only right the whole UK should decide on the matter. (y)
She still wants the 16 billion subsidy from Westminster every year , kin lunatic
 

robs1

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Some have suggested that the referendum should be allowed, provided there were regional ones within Scotland asking if, in the case that a majority of Scotland votes to leave, they would like to remain a part of the UK. After all, that's what the SNP was suggesting regarding Brexit, and only opportunistic hypocrites wouldn't offer the same chance to their own voters... surely? :unsure:

Anyway, this would be a decision about breaking up the UK as a whole, a single sovereign entity, so it's only right the whole UK should decide on the matter. (y)
She would probably agree to a uk wide vote, lots of non scots might be glad to see the back of the snp and watch them suffer
 
Some have suggested that the referendum should be allowed, provided there were regional ones within Scotland asking if, in the case that a majority of Scotland votes to leave, they would like to remain a part of the UK. After all, that's what the SNP was suggesting regarding Brexit, and only opportunistic hypocrites wouldn't offer the same chance to their own voters... surely? :unsure:

Anyway, this would be a decision about breaking up the UK as a whole, a single sovereign entity, so it's only right the whole UK should decide on the matter. (y)
I'd guess that if all of the UK got to decide then that would lead to an independent Scotland.
 
I don't care how it goes, I was the same with brexit and I care equally little about the whole Ireland thing too, but I think before you change things you must have a plan laid out as to how you go about those things before the vote.
I said this before the last independence referendum and I said it before brexit, how can you easily vote to change when you don't know what that change is?
 

Ashtree

Member
When old Etonian self entitled farts and a motley crew of English supremacist nationalists, plotted and secured the Brexit vote, against the expressed wishes of the significant majorities in both NI and Scotland, the death warrant of the UK was signed.
NI is now effectively gone from the union. Just a matter of time now, till the people rubber stamp the deal in a vote.
Scotland just getting the papers drawn up now. Good on them.

The question now though, is what will become of little old England, when it has been formally rejected by its own union? Particularly when as is inevitable the Queen passes to the other side of the Jordan, and the rest of the dysfunctional family squabble about who gets the top field?
 

toquark

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There won’t be a vote next year. Nicola just has to throw her foot soldiers a bone to stop them from turning on her (which a significant proportion are starting to do).

I sort of wish there was a vote, the case for independence is weaker today than in 2014, and the SNP’s record in government significantly poorer today than under Salmond’s reign. Whilst there have always been and always will be the 30% or so Indy nuts, the majority of Scots are fairly sensible and can see through the SNP spin.

The SNP are only in government because of a serious lack of opposition, not because they are necessarily that popular, and only have a majority thanks to getting into bed with the greens.
 
There won’t be a vote next year. Nicola just has to throw her foot soldiers a bone to stop them from turning on her (which a significant proportion are starting to do).

I sort of wish there was a vote, the case for independence is weaker today than in 2014, and the SNP’s record in government significantly poorer today than under Salmond’s reign. Whilst there have always been and always will be the 30% or so Indy nuts, the majority of Scots are fairly sensible and can see through the SNP spin.

The SNP are only in government because of a serious lack of opposition, not because they are necessarily that popular, and only have a majority thanks to getting into bed with the greens.
I'm not sure I entirely agree with that. Being dragged out of the EU by a self-serving English Nationalist government has strengthened the political case but the financial case still has to be made. Big questions still need to be answered. If an independent Scotland did join the EU (far from certain) then what happens to the border with England? And if we didn't join the EU, then a lot of the reason for leaving our current union has gone.

I think what the Scots need to bear in mind is that the government in Westminster won't always be as arrogant and incompetent as the current lot.
 

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HSENI names new farm safety champions

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Written by William Kellett from Agriland

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The Health and Safety Executive for Northern Ireland (HSENI) alongside the Farm Safety Partnership (FSP), has named new farm safety champions and commended the outstanding work on farm safety that has been carried out in the farming community in the last 20 years.

Two of these champions are Malcom Downey, retired principal inspector for the Agri/Food team in HSENI and Harry Sinclair, current chair of the Farm Safety Partnership and former president of the Ulster Farmers’ Union (UFU).

Improving farm safety is the key aim of HSENI’s and the FSP’s work and...
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