Advice on grazing cover crop

Estate fencing.

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Livestock Farmer
Just communicate with them and ask them what they want before you start. You don't want to fall out with the arable farmer in the middle of February when you have F all other places to graze.
Also don't go in offering ridicules rent and pee off every other sheep man in the area (I'm speaking from past experience), grazing cover crops is about working together with the arable because you need each other and they are a lot of work moving sheep a couple of times a week (always need moving on Sunday afternoon).
 

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
Use high stock density to protect his landscape, don't park stock all over it for convenience or you'll have compaction and tracking to water points as "black marks" against livestock integration; quite common complaints from the arable men on here but it really boils down to management.
They probably don't want their fertility put under the hedges.
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
Just communicate with them and ask them what they want before you start. You don't want to fall out with the arable farmer in the middle of February when you have F all other places to graze.
Also don't go in offering ridicules rent and pee off every other sheep man in the area (I'm speaking from past experience), grazing cover crops is about working together with the arable because you need each other and they are a lot of work moving sheep a couple of times a week (always need moving on Sunday afternoon).
Champion (y) agree 100%

it's about the win-win
 

Humble Village Farmer

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BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
You are in partnership to get the best out of it for both parties so discuss in detail what each side wants out of the deal. Don't forget about next year; make sure he wants you to come back. Then you can help him "decide" to put some turnips and oats in it for your benefit.
 

Dkb

Member
On cover crops and grass for the past ten years I have

1. Always left on time
2. Always kept fencing good
3. Always paid the agreed fee
4. Never fed meal

Its left me actually getting grazing cheaper than other people I know. It’s also left me that this year I actually had to refuse a new cover crop farm to graze over winter. As I hadn’t enough sheep. He got my number off a man that I have been dealing with since 2017. The tillage farmers are always in a panic to get the cover crops sown after harvesting to make sure I get good grazing over winter too. It’s amazing how well people will treat you if you treat them fairly.
 

Anymulewilldo

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cheshire
On cover crops and grass for the past ten years I have

1. Always left on time
2. Always kept fencing good
3. Always paid the agreed fee
4. Never fed meal

Its left me actually getting grazing cheaper than other people I know. It’s also left me that this year I actually had to refuse a new cover crop farm to graze over winter. As I hadn’t enough sheep. He got my number off a man that I have been dealing with since 2017. The tillage farmers are always in a panic to get the cover crops sown after harvesting to make sure I get good grazing over winter too. It’s amazing how well people will treat you if you treat them fairly.
You forgot 5. In the event of an escape be there within 2 hours! That one get me major brownie points as the others in my area don’t seem too bothered if it’s two days before they get too escaped sheep!
 

Anymulewilldo

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Cheshire
It’s also left me that this year I actually had to refuse a new cover crop farm to graze over winter. As I hadn’t enough sheep.
It broke my heart to turn down a new man this time. But I have heard off his neighbour who he has got on with sheep. 99.9% certain I’ll be in there next year. Other man has not got a good reputation...
 

Estate fencing.

Member
Livestock Farmer
1. Always left on time
2. Always kept fencing good
3. Always paid the agreed fee
4. Never fed meal

You forgot 5. In the event of an escape be there within 2 hours! That one get me major brownie points as the others in my area don’t seem too bothered if it’s two days before they get too escaped sheep!
Its all about being a professional sheep man isn't it really. To many people seem to buy a quad, rappa and some knackered old electric fencing and think they can make easy money out of tack sheep. The problem is these people other the earth to the arable farmer and the sheep owners but don't deliver the service that is needed. One of the farms that I have grazed for 12 years said that someone (who has had a bad reputation for 40 years) called into his yard and offered significantly more for the cover crops than I am paying. I had to remind him that I pay monthly for the keep, the fences are always in good order, the sheep are healthy and I move the sheep the day they need moving.
 

marsh89

Member
Don't put too many on it. It never lasts as long as you think it will, unless it has a lot of Radish in it.
If you are doing all the fencing make sure you don't pay too much for it as you will find it can take more time than you expect.
Light land is much easier than the heavy stuff!!
How many to acre with lambs would you put they just want the top grazed off? How much is to much?
 

Frank-the-Wool

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
How many to acre with lambs would you put they just want the top grazed off? How much is to much?

What is the crop?
What is the soil type?
How large a blocks are you planning to fence? How often do you want to move them?
How long is a piece of string?
Sorry about that but without knowing more details it is very difficult to say!
Remember it may take lambs a little while to adapt to eating some of the plants.
 

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