Ai synchronising beef cattle

[New2itall]

Anyone used this zoetis breeding program

 

[Ballygreenan]

Yes, what would you like to know?

 

[som farmer]

used to do full sync programme, on our dairy hfrs, all we do now, oestrus strips, serve to visual, for 7/8 days, prelim jab, serve to visual, 80% held to 1st service, 99% served in 21 days. Might be a grind with beef, but you get a tight bunch, so similar with the cows, 75 % held to 1st service, only 2 cows had a prid, really good results this year, hope we can do it again !!

 

[New2itall]

Yes, what would you like to know?

Was just curious to know is it anymore successful than the others. Looking through the 4 programs zoetis have on their website I’m inclined to think this looks the best one saying that, I don’t know why lol

 

[AGN76]

Why do you need it?

 

[New2itall]

Using 100% ai. Work away during the day. I do use the kamar patches which are a great help. Iv already ai’d a few to visual heats but some have came back bulling. So my thinking is, put them all into program and get as many from a batch incalf. Especially with winter housing coming fast it will be even harder to see them bulling when on slats

 

[AGN76]

Using 100% ai. Work away during the day. I do use the kamar patches which are a great help. Iv already ai’d a few to visual heats but some have came back bulling. So my thinking is, put them all into program and get as many from a batch incalf. Especially with winter housing coming fast it will be even harder to see them bulling when on slats

What about estrumate observe, 10 days later (if not seen) estrumate observe?

 

[Ballygreenan]

I recently did a batch insemination for a customer, 10 animals in total, mix of heifers and cows. No scanning information back yet but he reckons we hit 90% to first service.

 

[Ballygreenan]

What about estrumate observe, 10 days later (if not seen) estrumate observe?

Can work well too. Simple and effective.

 

[New2itall]

I’m open to options. Maybe should have tried the estrumate-observe technique. Iv a few cows left to do so could try that and save on the cidr. So if not seen in heat 10days after the estrumate do u inject again and watch for heats again?

 

[New2itall]

I recently did a batch insemination for a customer, 10 animals in total, mix of heifers and cows. No scanning information back yet but he reckons we hit 90% to first service.

I’d be more than happy with the 90% [emoji85] I’d even take a 60% lol

 

[Ballygreenan]

I’m open to options. Maybe should have tried the estrumate-observe technique. Iv a few cows left to do so could try that and save on the cidr. So if not seen in heat 10days after the estrumate do u inject again and watch for heats again?

Yes, the idea is that you break the 21 day cycle. If you want you can add an injection of receptal prior to the Ai.

 

[Ballygreenan]

I’d be more than happy with the 90% [emoji85] I’d even take a 60% lol

I had told the guy that 60% would be a good result!

 

[AGN76]

To guarantee getting semen in everything you could try -
Day 0 - est
Day 10 am - est
Day 12 pm 1ml ovarelin/receptal
Day 13 am serve blind
(Obviously observing the entire time)

 

[New2itall]

To guarantee getting semen in everything you could try -
Day 0 - est
Day 10 am - est
Day 12 pm 1ml ovarelin/receptal
Day 13 am serve blind
(Obviously observing the entire time)

Leave that one with me and I’ll give it a try sure Iv nothing to loss

 

[johnspeehs]

To guarantee getting semen in everything you could try -
Day 0 - est
Day 10 am - est
Day 12 pm 1ml ovarelin/receptal
Day 13 am serve blind
(Obviously observing the entire time)

So do you just keep AI'ing from day 0 right through?.

 

[New2itall]

So do you just keep AI'ing from day 0 right through?.

[emoji51] id doubt that, a bull would a lot cheaper if u ai everyday.i assume day 13 is ai in the morning regardless of heats (fixed time ai) but im sure u would still ai to observes heats. Probably 2 ai at most.

 

[AGN76]

So do you just keep AI'ing from day 0 right through?.

You serve when seen. Then do whatever is left on day 13

 

[johnspeehs]

[emoji51] id doubt that, a bull would a lot cheaper if u ai everyday.i assume day 13 is ai in the morning regardless of heats (fixed time ai) but im sure u would still ai to observes heats. Probably 2 ai at most.

Sorry what I meant was that you would AI any you saw on heat from day 0

 

[Ballygreenan]

Sorry what I meant was that you would AI any you saw on heat from day 0

Absolutely! We did a programme 2 years ago, on day 0 there was a heifer 'mad bulling' stuck a sexed straw in her and she held. Calved in 10 days ahead of the rest!