An honest answer from Remainers / EUrophiles, please...

[Danllan]

Quite deliberately, I'm asking this before we find out if there is or isn't to be a deal and, either way, on what terms.

We all understand how sad you are about the Referendum result, honestly, and we get how generally irritated, disappointed etc. you are with the situation now as a whole. But, since the result was what it was, we are now out of the EU and that is a simple statement of fact; no matter that in the coming weeks we may move further still, or a little nearer.

So, my question is this: regardless of deal or no deal, or there being / not being any agreement, terms or whatever that you like, do you want the UK to prosper and do well?

Whether or not you think the UK will or could is irrelevant to this, and recourse to that will be you dodging the question. I just want to know whether you truly have good will toward this country, and will be glad if it succeeds even in a way you would not have chosen, or that your good will is conditional on there being terms you like.

I'll admit that there are several on TFF who may, possibly, claim to have good will to the UK - regardless of anything - but who I will not believe. Nonetheless, it will be interesting to see who responds, and how. Thanks in advance.

 

[neilo]

I’m happy to respond.

I find your question as ridiculous and, frankly insulting, as the post in a similar vein from someone else a few days ago.
I haven’t seen anyone that has posted wishing for anything other than for the UK to prosper, only some that are concerned that it may not prosper as well as it might.

It strikes me that there are a few that don’t really care whether their fellow farmers survive the turmoil though, so long as we can give our neighbours a bloody nose. Obviously I don’t expect you to be open minded enough to see that though.

 

[le bon paysan]

I really hope you will do very well.
I fear you won't , due to the contemptible sh1!s in power. It will be my friends and family that will carry the can.
Bon chance.

 

[gone]

I know it's not aimed at me as I am not a resident of the UK, but.
I wish I was, 20 but I am not.
I wish I knew the winning numbers of tomorrow's Euromillions, but I do not.
I often wish my father was still alive, so I could ask him something, but he is not.

Can I ask you a similar question.




When did you stop beating your wife.

I will gladly delete this stupid lawyer's trick question if asked.

 

[Hindsight]

Quite deliberately, I'm asking this before we find out if there is or isn't to be a deal and, either way, on what terms.

We all understand how sad you are about the Referendum result, honestly, and we get how generally irritated, disappointed etc. you are with the situation now as a whole. But, since the result was what it was, we are now out of the EU and that is a simple statement of fact; no matter that in the coming weeks we may move further still, or a little nearer.

So, my question is this: regardless of deal or no deal, or there being / not being any agreement, terms or whatever that you like, do you want the UK to prosper and do well?

Whether or not you think the UK will or could is irrelevant to this, and recourse to that will be you dodging the question. I just want to know whether you truly have good will toward this country, and will be glad if it succeeds even in a way you would not have chosen, or that your good will is conditional on there being terms you like.

I'll admit that there are several on TFF who may, possibly, claim to have good will to the UK - regardless of anything - but who I will not believe. Nonetheless, it will be interesting to see who responds, and how. Thanks in advance.

Danllan, are you by any chance related to the late Senator Joseph McCarthy?

Great fun though. Cast a fly, see who rises to the bait. I couldn't resist. But just to let you know this morning I have ordered for Jan 1st a Union Jack Flag a pole.

And I shall be writing to my MP demanding that all those who voted Remain be forced by law to sing he National Anthem every morning - publically in the street - we can clap the NHS at same time.

Best wishes, keep it up. Clive will be pleased - great click bait.

 

[stewart]

So, my question is this: regardless of deal or no deal, or there being / not being any agreement, terms or whatever that you like, do you want the UK to prosper and do well?

I have deleted the irrelevant, condescending crap and left the relevant part, to which the answer is Yes.

 

[M-J-G]

Quite deliberately, I'm asking this before we find out if there is or isn't to be a deal and, either way, on what terms.

We all understand how sad you are about the Referendum result, honestly, and we get how generally irritated, disappointed etc. you are with the situation now as a whole. But, since the result was what it was, we are now out of the EU and that is a simple statement of fact; no matter that in the coming weeks we may move further still, or a little nearer.

So, my question is this: regardless of deal or no deal, or there being / not being any agreement, terms or whatever that you like, do you want the UK to prosper and do well?

Whether or not you think the UK will or could is irrelevant to this, and recourse to that will be you dodging the question. I just want to know whether you truly have good will toward this country, and will be glad if it succeeds even in a way you would not have chosen, or that your good will is conditional on there being terms you like.

I'll admit that there are several on TFF who may, possibly, claim to have good will to the UK - regardless of anything - but who I will not believe. Nonetheless, it will be interesting to see who responds, and how. Thanks in advance.

Are you content with how things are in the UK right now?

I ask because this isn't the Brexit I had hoped for.

 

[Mek]

I genuinely want the UK to prosper but I don’t believe leaving the EU is going to help that cause.

 

[czechmate]

Quite deliberately, I'm asking this before we find out if there is or isn't to be a deal and, either way, on what terms.

We all understand how sad you are about the Referendum result, honestly, and we get how generally irritated, disappointed etc. you are with the situation now as a whole. But, since the result was what it was, we are now out of the EU and that is a simple statement of fact; no matter that in the coming weeks we may move further still, or a little nearer.

So, my question is this: regardless of deal or no deal, or there being / not being any agreement, terms or whatever that you like, do you want the UK to prosper and do well?

Whether or not you think the UK will or could is irrelevant to this, and recourse to that will be you dodging the question. I just want to know whether you truly have good will toward this country, and will be glad if it succeeds even in a way you would not have chosen, or that your good will is conditional on there being terms you like.

I'll admit that there are several on TFF who may, possibly, claim to have good will to the UK - regardless of anything - but who I will not believe. Nonetheless, it will be interesting to see who responds, and how. Thanks in advance.

Absolutely
Anyway, all my family still live and work in the uk, I still have a number of friends there, I still find I have a “soft spot” for the old place (but that is getting a bit long in the tooth as I didn’t like it much after 1985), so yes.

What I can not abide is superioristic nationalism - from anywhere

 

[Highland Mule]

do you want the UK to prosper and do well?

Thats a rhetorical question, surely? If not, it’s an insult. Writing as one who over analyses everything, I struggle to see how those who voted to leave the EU were voting in the best interests of the country. I view the educated Brexit promoters as despicable traitors who have ruined the country for their personal gain and the uneducated as gullible pawns who fell for their promises because they didn’t look into the details enough. I’ll leave you to decide which category you fall into.

 

[czechmate]

Thats a rhetorical question, surely? If not, it’s an insult. Writing as one who over analyses everything, I struggle to see how those who voted to leave the EU were voting in the best interests of the country. I view the educated Brexit promoters as despicable traitors who have ruined the country for their personal gain and the uneducated as gullible pawns who fell for their promises because they didn’t look into the details enough. I’ll leave you to decide which category you fall into.

I would agree with that...
My personal political interest history- I really liked the SDP, I fully supported the (rather confusing) 2 David election campaign. I was so taken with David Owen, compared to all around that frankly after he went, I was in a kind of wilderness (that said I was content enough with Tony Blair so that worked out), anyway so the the full duration of this catastrophe, I have hung on to the hope “but Lord Owen said we should leave, so surely it can’t be as bad as I think, what with him having such a mass of experience?”

 

[linga]

Thats a rhetorical question, surely? If not, it’s an insult. Writing as one who over analyses everything, I struggle to see how those who voted to leave the EU were voting in the best interests of the country. I view the educated Brexit promoters as despicable traitors who have ruined the country for their personal gain and the uneducated as gullible pawns who fell for their promises because they didn’t look into the details enough. I’ll leave you to decide which category you fall into.

Do you think that your view that you and your voting brethren’s view are superior to anyone that has a different opinion might have contributed to the current situation.
to characterise all leave voters as either traitors or thick/ uneducated is really not what I would expect from one who appears to be thoughtful and balanced

 

[Highland Mule]

Do you think that your view that you and your voting brethren’s view are superior to anyone that has a different opinion might have contributed to the current situation.
to characterise all leave voters as either traitors or thick/ uneducated is really not what I would expect from one who appears to be thoughtful and balanced

To suggest it would turn off voters would have been a fair point if I had done it before the vote, but I didn’t. I spent that time trying to sort between the truth and the hyperbole - pointing out where claims on both sides were suspect in my usual style and what I’m pleased to read is recognised as a thoughtful and balanced manner.

As to characterising all leave voters as “traitors or thick/uneducated” - I take exception to the suggestion that uneducated are thick, but I’m sure you didn’t mean to state that. The words I used were gullible pawns, which whilst it employs a bit of hyperbole to match the tone of the thread, is my considered assessment for a broad brush assessment.

 

[Danllan]

I know it's not aimed at me as I am not a resident of the UK, but.
I wish I was, 20 but I am not.
I wish I knew the winning numbers of tomorrow's Euromillions, but I do not.
I often wish my father was still alive, so I could ask him something, but he is not.

Can I ask you a similar question... When did you stop beating your wife.

I will gladly delete this stupid lawyer's trick question if asked.

No reason why you shouldn't reply, I didn't ask for only UK replies.

You got your question wrong; the received wisdom is to ask 'Have you stopped beating your wife, yes, or no...?' Yours could simply be countered by 'I never have.'

I have deleted the irrelevant, condescending crap and left the relevant part, to which the answer is Yes.

The 'crap' was there for a reason, see a later post.

Thats a rhetorical question, surely? If not, it’s an insult. Writing as one who over analyses everything, I struggle to see how those who voted to leave the EU were voting in the best interests of the country. I view the educated Brexit promoters as despicable traitors who have ruined the country for their personal gain and the uneducated as gullible pawns who fell for their promises because they didn’t look into the details enough. I’ll leave you to decide which category you fall into.

Hmm...

 

[Campbell]

I've been pro EU or Common Market since I voted for it in 1975, and I am at a total loss to understand how anyone in UK agricultural business can still think otherwise. I have many friends of the opposite view of course, but to me, they seem to have a mysterious ideology of a free wheeling independence to take on the world alone, when we have most of what works well for us just 20 miles away, which you must admit is a good start.

Danllan, do you really need to ask if we want our UK to prosper...

 

[Danllan]

...Danllan, do you really need to ask if we want our UK to prosper...

Following the sentiments in what many have written, yes.

 

[linga]

To suggest it would turn off voters would have been a fair point if I had done it before the vote, but I didn’t. I spent that time trying to sort between the truth and the hyperbole - pointing out where claims on both sides were suspect in my usual style and what I’m pleased to read is recognised as a thoughtful and balanced manner.

As to characterising all leave voters as “traitors or thick/uneducated” - I take exception to the suggestion that uneducated are thick, but I’m sure you didn’t mean to state that. The words I used were gullible pawns, which whilst it employs a bit of hyperbole to match the tone of the thread, is my considered assessment for a broad brush assessment.

It was done before the vote. No idea if by you but that was the sentiment.
I said appears to be thoughtful and balanced.
we know the words you used.

 

[Ncap]

Quite deliberately, I'm asking this before we find out if there is or isn't to be a deal and, either way, on what terms.

We all understand how sad you are about the Referendum result, honestly, and we get how generally irritated, disappointed etc. you are with the situation now as a whole. But, since the result was what it was, we are now out of the EU and that is a simple statement of fact; no matter that in the coming weeks we may move further still, or a little nearer.

So, my question is this: regardless of deal or no deal, or there being / not being any agreement, terms or whatever that you like, do you want the UK to prosper and do well?

Whether or not you think the UK will or could is irrelevant to this, and recourse to that will be you dodging the question. I just want to know whether you truly have good will toward this country, and will be glad if it succeeds even in a way you would not have chosen, or that your good will is conditional on there being terms you like.

I'll admit that there are several on TFF who may, possibly, claim to have good will to the UK - regardless of anything - but who I will not believe. Nonetheless, it will be interesting to see who responds, and how. Thanks in advance.

A quick reply scribbled before a work meeting but the sentiment is so deep-seated I would be able to give it if you woke me in the middle of the night from the deepest sleep.

After the referendum result my wife and I decided to leave the UK and return to the EU. She and our son both have dual nationality. Our daughter is buried here but travels wherever we are in our hearts - that sounds trite but I'm sure anyone who has had a child taken from them with know what I mean.

Covid this year has serious buggered our plans to move and we are still stuck here. The end of the transition period is going to screw up in many ways (until we are safely elsewhere - and then until I get my new nationality) income, payments, pension, health care etc. But the end result, not being part of the UK as it has become will be worth it.

To your question...I bear no ill-will towards (most) who, misled in our opinion, chose to leave the EU. But the UK I left as soon as my university degree was completed (three weeks later) because I so hated the way things were has shot back to what it was all those decades ago.

I shall/we shall just watch with interest, perplexed, but with no ill-will and relieved that our son will be free, capable and supremely qualified to work and live wherever he chooses (in Europe unshackled) and in other countries wherever the most suitable nationality will be appropriate.

 

[Ashtree]

TFF’s very own gentleman revisionist officer prone to proclaiming undeniable established facts, as something else entirely, regularly on here declares “sovereignty” as the net bottom line of Brexit.

Yet, he remains eerily silent on the fact that Boris the “surrendernick”, has traded Britain’s “sovereignty” by erecting a regulatory barrier in the Irish Sea. He has signed off on the unthinkable concept, of having a supervisory body from Brussels set up, lock stick and barrel in Belfast to monitor compliance on trade between UK mainland and NI.
If Brexit was essentially about “sovereignty”, no matter the outcome of the final few days talks with Barnier, it has already and permanently spectacularly failed.
No amount of revisionism or juggling with words, can cover over that utterly humiliating fact.

 

[Danllan]

I'll confess to a subterfuge... I started this thread as an experiment to test a hypothesis of mine regarding how various individuals would react, and in a couple of cases to see the degree of vitriol they would not be able to contain, rather than to garner a number of answers.

But thanks for all your replies, some have been very revealing, and confirmatory.