Are farmers moving away from Land Rover?

[GTB]

Wager?

It depends on your definition of a Defender replacement. Are we talking about a proper off road, working farm/army/utilities vehicle? If so yes I would put money on it.

If we're talking about some poncy 4x4 car based on a Discovery floor pan aimed at the Chelsea tractor/hairdresser/pony club brigade then no.

 

[GTB]

In fairness, despite my earlier comment, and the lack of "farmer friendliness", - I did get a very warm welcome in Lloyds Carlisle- offered a coffee on several occasions, and given a test drive, despite the fact I turned up at 5:45pm- and the doors to the showroom were locked up when we returned.

Have visited a fair few dealerships recently as I look to order a new company car. The second I mention it will be a company lease car, most salesmen run a mile- and point me to the brochures. the guy in Lloyds was very helpful.

Good luck with the new job. Nice picture of you in the mag today.

 

[Dr Evil]

Good luck with the new job. Nice picture of you in the mag today.

Not often I hear the phrase "nice picture of you" so I'll take the complement- and the good luck wishes! Diolch Dei- fydd ise ni sharad byti newyd yr pick up sydd yn yr advert ar S4C cyn hir!

 

[Simon Chiles]

You may be old fashioned - and you are right. It is only common courtesy. I would say the LR/RR should be much more open to just greet you and be an ambassador for the brand. Manners matter and decent people recognise and respect that.

However I bet the LR / RR also received some shocking treatment during his / her day at the show too. I don't mean just farmers, I'm sure plenty of the wannabes and the horsey set are pretty testing to deal with

We ( as a group of contractors) also have a stand at the show, not that we do much business but, probably like the Land Rover stand, do it to represent our business(es). In an area that's largely removed from farming I get approached by all sorts ( you wouldn't mind a pound for every time I've been asked how many miles per gallon a combine does) and would speak to them all equally. However I must confess that when I was waiting for the Queen I did think to myself that maybe, just this once, I should have prepared what I was going to say.

 

[Red Fred]

A local contractor/farmer used to scrimp and save to further himself and at harvest time would cycle round in ripped clothes and shoes held together with baler twine. He had set his heart on a new Range Rover and finally bought one for cash (this was in the 1970s ) He cycled up to the dealer to collect it and the other salesman came out and told him to clear off as he wasn't the sort they wanted on their forecourt.
The horrified manager came out to the rescue, and our friend just said "I'm here to collect my new Rover, and would you get your man here to put my bicycle in the back!"

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

A local contractor/farmer used to scrimp and save to further himself and at harvest time would cycle round in ripped clothes and shoes held together with baler twine. He had set his heart on a new Range Rover and finally bought one for cash (this was in the 1970s ) He cycled up to the dealer to collect it and the other salesman came out and told him to clear off as he wasn't the sort they wanted on their forecourt.
The horrified manager came out to the rescue, and our friend just said "I'm here to collect my new Rover, and would you get your man here to put my bicycle in the back!"

A friend of ours (now in his 80's) worked as a fitter in a London Rolls-Royce dealership when younger. After a while he was promoted to sales. He recounted how the owner told him to always treat everyone who walked through the showroom doors with the utmost courtesy and respect as you could never tell which of them would end up buying a car. It was often the shabby ones who spent the most

 

[Clive]

I just ordered a new one

Have to agree that the dealers are terrible compared to other brands I have, service shocking and even salesmen cant be bothered with you - lucky these days you can just spec online and don't have to actually talk to the shiny suited salesmen

would love to buy other brands but can't get away from the fact they they are light years ahead of competition for what I want in a family car, when ever I have bought alternative it has been generally disappointing


cant defend my decision to also own a Defender, its obviously rubbish and well behind alternatives in pretty much every way but I love it and its an appreciating asset so not all bad !

 

[GTB]

I just ordered a new one

Which model? The Phantom?

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

I just ordered a new one

Range rover or Rolls Royce?

 

[Clive]

Which model? The Phantom?

i'm not old enough for one of them yet !

 

[GTB]

i'm not old enough for one of them yet !

Oh sorry I thought that's what they were calling the Defender replacement.

 

[Princess Pooper]

We want a 4 x 4 that will be used every day driving over ridge and furrow fields shepherding, can house a shitty wet collie in the back with the occasional dead or sick sheep lobbed in, so need to be able to wash it out, short wheel base so we can reverse with our trailer in a tight corner where we load the calves, and enough guts to pull 3 mature cows across country. A cab heater & windscreen wipers that works, pedals that are non-slip with muddy boots on (the metal pedal is lethal). Bull bar to stop the cows wrecking it when we park it up to tend to a calving cow at grass. Comfortable and quiet enough to go to a meeting, market or a farm walk further afield. Mechanical (rather than electronic) controls so our local fitter can repair. We sold our last Defender as an MOT fail to said fitter as most of the cost of getting it sorted will be labour and he wanted one. Given how many are now being knicked then probably glad it is gone but we are put off buying another (s/h) by the sudden jump in price and hence thief appeal.

 

[quavers]

We want a 4 x 4 that will be used every day driving over ridge and furrow fields shepherding, can house a shitty wet collie in the back with the occasional dead or sick sheep lobbed in, so need to be able to wash it out, short wheel base so we can reverse with our trailer in a tight corner where we load the calves, and enough guts to pull 3 mature cows across country. A cab heater & windscreen wipers that works, pedals that are non-slip with muddy boots on (the metal pedal is lethal). Bull bar to stop the cows wrecking it when we park it up to tend to a calving cow at grass. Comfortable and quiet enough to go to a meeting, market or a farm walk further afield. Mechanical (rather than electronic) controls so our local fitter can repair. We sold our last Defender as an MOT fail to said fitter as most of the cost of getting it sorted will be labour and he wanted one. Given how many are now being knicked then probably glad it is gone but we are put off buying another (s/h) by the sudden jump in price and hence thief appeal.

what about a shogun commercial ? and a cut down ibc in the back for the dog . cant see a new defender being any more practical .

 

[Nithsdale]

We want a 4 x 4 that will be used every day driving over ridge and furrow fields shepherding, can house a shitty wet collie in the back with the occasional dead or sick sheep lobbed in, so need to be able to wash it out, short wheel base so we can reverse with our trailer in a tight corner where we load the calves, and enough guts to pull 3 mature cows across country. A cab heater & windscreen wipers that works, pedals that are non-slip with muddy boots on (the metal pedal is lethal). Bull bar to stop the cows wrecking it when we park it up to tend to a calving cow at grass. Comfortable and quiet enough to go to a meeting, market or a farm walk further afield. Mechanical (rather than electronic) controls so our local fitter can repair. We sold our last Defender as an MOT fail to said fitter as most of the cost of getting it sorted will be labour and he wanted one. Given how many are now being knicked then probably glad it is gone but we are put off buying another (s/h) by the sudden jump in price and hence thief appeal.

This :

what about a shogun commercial ? and a cut down ibc in the back for the dog . cant see a new defender being any more practical .

+1

Our Defender is 22yr old. Looking to change it whilst demand is currently at peak (IMO) before it needs huge investment in repairs.


Shogun Commercial is THE replacement for a hard top Defender. But the swb only tows 3,000kg - you need the lwb for 3,500kg towing. Brand new they are damned pricey, too, compared to the pickups, sadly.

 

[glasshouse]

Brexit will put a stop to tarriffs on yank pickups and landcruiser 4.5 litre utes from japan
Problem solved

 

[Nithsdale]

Brexit will put a stop to tarriffs on yank pickups and landcruiser 4.5 litre utes from japan
Problem solved

??

Keeping the wheels turning on that will cripple you

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Brexit will put a stop to tarriffs on yank pickups and landcruiser 4.5 litre utes from japan
Problem solved

Maybe........

 

[glasshouse]

??

Keeping the wheels turning on that will cripple you

Nah

 

[Nithsdale]

Nah

Have I missed something about petrol getting cheaper??

 

[quavers]

This :




+1

Our Defender is 22yr old. Looking to change it whilst demand is currently at peak (IMO) before it needs huge investment in repairs.


Shogun Commercial is THE replacement for a hard top Defender. But the swb only tows 3,000kg - you need the lwb for 3,500kg towing. Brand new they are damned pricey, too, compared to the pickups, sadly.

seen a advert for a swb shogun for £22995 plus vat a month ago cant find it now , thought it was good value when they were quoting there pick up prices on here , need a double cab for the kids any way . cant find the link for the shogun now