Badly behaved Dairy bull?

[cows sh#t me to tears]

Was it run in a Suckler herd?

No. Just a couple of calves on a lame cow. We used him in the herd for a while.... he would hide from you when you walked through cows....but try and get him on his own and he was lethal. Tip motor bikes over ,charge from 100m , go out of his way to chase you....he went to market with a warning to agent....still put all the yard stock men over/through rails. Agent said he was worst animal they had seen in there.....yet mum has photos of us as babies sitting on his mothers back....

 

[Sharpy]

thats very interesting.... I wonder if thats behind the whole 'dairy bull' thing. It certainly makes sense that a bulls character is naturally geared toward being raised amongst cows.

Could it be that the absence of a bull in the raising herd means that there is a constant low level of jockeying for position by the cows? Leading to an individual who sees an "Eastenders" attitude as normal?

 

[Woolless]

Hire bulls nearly jump up the ramp I find!

We occasionally get a Galloway discover he can loiter by a path gate, and find himself miraculously through into the next enclosure - and in one case, this is a 1500 acre one.
But, having done whatever it is they think they should do next door, you've generally no bother to walk them home again.
One dun bull was so quiet and biddable about coming back you barely needed to drive him...he'd almost be ready to check on what needed his attentions at home by the time you found him.

Mind, in his last season with us, it turned out he'd been jumping a gate between 2 of our own enclosures daily, tending to 2 different groups of cows he thought needed his attention. We didn't realise at first, but as he was getting on, and as the energy levels dropped the evidence soon started to show...the gate started to sag.

Ha ha, yes it happens to us all and eventually I suppose you can't be arsed to jump the gate!

 

[M-J-G]

No. Just a couple of calves on a lame cow. We used him in the herd for a while.... he would hide from you when you walked through cows....but try and get him on his own and he was lethal. Tip motor bikes over ,charge from 100m , go out of his way to chase you....he went to market with a warning to agent....still put all the yard stock men over/through rails. Agent said he was worst animal they had seen in there.....yet mum has photos of us as babies sitting on his mothers back....

Reared with a cow or two isn't really a herd structure, 20 or 30 plus with a mature bull in the group is more like a natural pecking order where he will get hammered from day one if he gets too big for his boots.

 

[cows sh#t me to tears]

Never aggressive to cows/bulls. Just had it in for people. Could clear a 5 foot gate without touching it to. Might have missed his calling as a rodeo bull.....could have made a fortune out of the mad bùgger.....

 

[M-J-G]

Never aggressive to cows/bulls. Just had it in for people. Could clear a 5 foot gate without touching it to. Might have missed his calling as a rodeo bull.....could have made a fortune out of the mad bùgger.....

If he's jumping gates etc. he sounds more wound up or wild than he does aggressive.

I'm not surprised he's ok with cattle as they will either avoid him or dominate him.

Like people, bulls will be more badly behaved if they are king of the castle and never get reprimanded as a youngster

 

[abitdaft]

If he's jumping gates etc. he sounds more wound up or wild than he does aggressive.

I'm not surprised he's ok with cattle as they will either avoid him or dominate him.

Like people, bulls will be more badly behaved if they are king of the castle and never get reprimanded as a youngster

We like to run our new, young replacement bulls with his predecessor for a while as well as older cows, the old boy keeps them in check as well as the cows and keeps the cockiness from getting too far. We made the mistake of not doing this once and never again, ended upi with a bull I wouldn't get in the pen with even with the cows in the same pen. If you have to consider using the front loader then it's game over. I also think that keeping a young bull on his own is asking for behavioural problems.

 

[cows sh#t me to tears]

All our bulls are run together when not working. Can be 7 or more in same paddock from yearlings to 5 year olds. Tend to only fight in there same weight division

 

[Anymulewilldo]

We've 150 dairy bulls inside all the time feeding. We also put 12-15 lims through a year (whatever our cows produce) and never ever get an issue with the lims. The dairys now... They are something else. Quite regular to get 11/12 months old and get agressive, occasionally one goes proper loopy. Got one at the moment, started bellowing at weekend, had a do at me through the gate this morning, booked in for a little ride out tomorrow. Life's too short, soon as they start, get them gone!

 

[Baz65]

We've been shut down with TB since January 2019, used to sell bull calves at 40 days old before then, so we've got a yard full of nearly 12 month old Friesian bulls, buggers got the dividing gate off its hinges Monday morning got in with some younger bulls. Me an me dad went in to hang the gate an sort them back into where they came from. Got all bar three bulls back in when one turned on me hit me straight in the Netherlands and pushed me into the feed barrier, dad managed to get him away from me, I managed to drag myself through the barrier. Went to A & E had X-rays on my Pelvis and spine nothing broke thankfully just badly bruised. Could off been a lot worse if me Dad hadn't got a muck fork in his hand, these bulls are booked in to local abbatoir after Christmas. So be careful out there.

We've 150 dairy bulls inside all the time feeding. We also put 12-15 lims through a year (whatever our cows produce) and never ever get an issue with the lims. The dairys now... They are something else. Quite regular to get 11/12 months old and get agressive, occasionally one goes proper loopy. Got one at the moment, started bellowing at weekend, had a do at me through the gate this morning, booked in for a little ride out tomorrow. Life's too short, soon as they start, get them gone!

 

[som farmer]

get any bull that starts getting arsey, down to the abattoir, asap. Don't wait, farming is dangerous enough without creating risks !!

 

[milkloss]

We've been shut down with TB since January 2019, used to sell bull calves at 40 days old before then, so we've got a yard full of nearly 12 month old Friesian bulls, buggers got the dividing gate off its hinges Monday morning got in with some younger bulls. Me an me dad went in to hang the gate an sort them back into where they came from. Got all bar three bulls back in when one turned on me hit me straight in the Netherlands and pushed me into the feed barrier, dad managed to get him away from me, I managed to drag myself through the barrier. Went to A & E had X-rays on my Pelvis and spine nothing broke thankfully just badly bruised. Could off been a lot worse if me Dad hadn't got a muck fork in his hand, these bulls are booked in to local abbatoir after Christmas. So be careful out there.

lucky. Wishing you a speedy recovery.

 

[Baz65]

lucky. Wishing you a speedy recovery.

Thankyou

 

[ollie989898]

I find this thread interesting as I have only had experience of a handful of bulls really but I have visited the Cogent farm and seen the big black and white ones which were all complete psychopaths.

Seen groups of bull beef in pens together, usually fairly well behaved but would never go in as they weren't used to people.

I agree that keeping any beast on it's own for any length of time must be bad for their character and 'mental health' if you like. Don't trust any of them of course but years ago I worked on a place with a big old hereford bull, probably past his best and too big for his feet but used to walk him up and down the track with the cows like he was a dog, same old lumbering gait he was near the slowest beast in the bunch. He used to squeal like a little girl if you ever put him in the crush but otherwise quiet and placid around humans although his head, neck, chest and all over were huge. Almost like he didn't recognise his own power.

 

[M-J-G]

Good, because he will probably never trust the person who ringed him again

That's a myth, their thinking isn't that joined up.

I've rung plenty of bulls and went on to train them for shows and sales with no problems.

You'll have more trust issues issues if you were to hit him.

 

[som farmer]

think it was this thread, person said bucket reared bulls were worse than 'cow' reared, been mulling this over, with some friends, and concensus was that it was correct, bit of a booger, 2 of us reared bulls on the bucket, so they would be quiet. Makes sense when you think about it, get used to you having a bucket of milk.

 

[ollie989898]

think it was this thread, person said bucket reared bulls were worse than 'cow' reared, been mulling this over, with some friends, and concensus was that it was correct, bit of a booger, 2 of us reared bulls on the bucket, so they would be quiet. Makes sense when you think about it, get used to you having a bucket of milk.

Do you think bulls that have regular human contact and being moved about and so on are a bit more sane?

 

[som farmer]

Do you think bulls that have regular human contact and being moved about and so on are a bit more sane?

we had a hol bull, that caught his foot in a gate, and ripped it about badly, vet cleaned it up, and confirmed no serious damage. I changed the dressing every day, put a halter on, tied him up, no trouble. walked him about with a bull staff, reckoned it would keep him quieter, 4 weeks of that, then every other day, as above. The day after I removed the last bandage, I could not put the halter on, or the bull staff, and that bull was seriously handled, one can only presume, he knew I was helping him heal, but when over, it was sod off.

 

[Blue.]

think it was this thread, person said bucket reared bulls were worse than 'cow' reared, been mulling this over, with some friends, and concensus was that it was correct, bit of a booger, 2 of us reared bulls on the bucket, so they would be quiet. Makes sense when you think about it, get used to you having a bucket of milk.

They want rearing on a cow on a mountain side so they have no human contact,worst we’ve had was one a lad petted as a calf,oh and a fleck but we won’t talk about him.?

 

[holywell farmer]

get any bull that starts getting arsey, down to the abattoir, asap. Don't wait, farming is dangerous enough without creating risks !!

Somtimes stock farmers when brought an expensive bull are reluctant to sell it even if gets aggressive, farmers if invested money in an animal want there return, but I myself if I farmed would get rid of a dangerous bull even if it cost me financially.