Spencer
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Bailey flat deck low loader
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Wheels88
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- Market Harborough
Thanks for all the input, very much appreciated, always find this forum so helpful! We did talk through the option of a hydraulic cheese wedge, The downside of this would be being limited on length, having a measure up with 14 ton of fert (that’s the most we would need in 1 application for one particular crop in our blocks further a field) and the loader 36ft would be enough to safely get the loader wheelbase on but the rear end would have to slightly overhang the rear of trailer, only slightly but this is where vertical ramps become a problem. We would also potentially move a plough on the crawler which may slightly over hang, but this will be subject to seeing how the trailer Sits with the weight of t the crawler further forwards. Essentially any movement of the crawler we could do with the trailer would be a bonus not a necessity but it would be handy.
We could go for a longer trailer but a 36ft would be similar to our header trailer which is as long you would want with a lot of our accesses . Also I When was the phone to Stewart they did point out the issue of long beavertail trailers and clearance at the back on un even ground which is also another tick for a flat deck. I do like the idea of a hydraulic beavertail but like the strength and simplicity of the flatbed, both Sterwart and Bailey seemed to think that most trailers with hydraulic beavertails mount the axles further forwards than is ideal therefore making the trailers more unstable, but then again neither make a full hydraulic beavertail (I think strewart make a partial) so they probably would say that.
Its a tough one, there probably isn’t a right answer, as long as the flat deck low loader ramp angle isn’t too ridiculous I think it’s probably the way to go (unfortunately the one they had in there heard was buried behind 6 Or 7 trailers so we couldn’t see the ramps down hence me asking the question on here) Really impressed with Bailey today and so competitively priced against the Kane, in my eyes a lot more trailer for the same money (though Pyketts were also very helpful showing us round etc), Stewart also really helpful on the phone but can’t justify the difference in price between the Bailey and the Stewart (we havent had an actual quote but they were very honest on the phone about how much more they would be over a Bailey)!
We could go for a longer trailer but a 36ft would be similar to our header trailer which is as long you would want with a lot of our accesses . Also I When was the phone to Stewart they did point out the issue of long beavertail trailers and clearance at the back on un even ground which is also another tick for a flat deck. I do like the idea of a hydraulic beavertail but like the strength and simplicity of the flatbed, both Sterwart and Bailey seemed to think that most trailers with hydraulic beavertails mount the axles further forwards than is ideal therefore making the trailers more unstable, but then again neither make a full hydraulic beavertail (I think strewart make a partial) so they probably would say that.
Its a tough one, there probably isn’t a right answer, as long as the flat deck low loader ramp angle isn’t too ridiculous I think it’s probably the way to go (unfortunately the one they had in there heard was buried behind 6 Or 7 trailers so we couldn’t see the ramps down hence me asking the question on here) Really impressed with Bailey today and so competitively priced against the Kane, in my eyes a lot more trailer for the same money (though Pyketts were also very helpful showing us round etc), Stewart also really helpful on the phone but can’t justify the difference in price between the Bailey and the Stewart (we havent had an actual quote but they were very honest on the phone about how much more they would be over a Bailey)!
Wheels88
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- Market Harborough
I ought to add bailey have assured me the ally ramps are rated to 20t along with the trailer, just want to make sure it’s possible to actually drive something up them without suffering from vertigo!
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- Sheffield
Hi, we looked at bailey for the same trailer but for moving straw instead of fert and every other job the same type of thing as you want in it. We are going for the bever tail and wedge as the flat deck putting a digger up will be steep and 3m ramps make it a dare devil stunt. You can get 4m ramps but then you don’t have a place under the trailer to keep them and it’s a strap to the floor of the trailer job and there bloody heavy. Also they don’t have a lot of grip on for a digger to track up, so I’d think it may slide off or struggle and that’s the last thing you want. We are going to take the ramps of when we don’t want them on for straw and make a bracket to hold the wedge in place but it’s a far safer method for getting stuff on and off. The trailers the ramps fold over on you lose about 4 ft of trailer use when loading anything. The bever tail what lifts up and down is a good idea and would be good for a digger and everything else.
Loading a crawler on a flat with any machine attached wouldn't be the best. think the ramp angle would be too steep and the machine would hit the ground. This is a picture of mine the ramps don't look that steep but are a fair bit more than a lowloader and limits what you can load.
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- Sheffield
@GFA i wouldn’t want to track a 13 tonne machine up then ramps of yours. No grip to get the tracks in. Does a telehandler weigh about 16 tonne then? 14 tonne of seed plus telehandler won’t be 8 tonne over loaded. The trailers will carry 20 tonne so maybe over loaded by about 1 or 2 tonne depending on the telehandler.
14 ton of seed plus 6 ton for forklift and 6 ton for trailer max legal weight is 18 tonne yes the trailer might be rated to carry the weight just. Then you can only tow it with a 6 ton tractor to be legal
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- Yorkshire
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We run a Kane hyd beavertail as an all rounder, cant fault it. Have hauled bales alongside a beavertail with ramps fitted with a cheese wedge, it has problems with bottoming out its tail in rough gateways etc. Wouldnt even consider tracking a 360 up those ramps onto that flat trailer on the photos. Is the legal trailer weight not 18.6 tonnes? Leaving 4.6 tonnes to cover trailer and handler?
It will be more than 30% overloaded and this is when the law gets serious.
More than 30% overloaded and you will normally get a court summons, your vehicle may be immobilised, you can be fined £80 & your insurance may be invalid if you are involved in an accident.
Having recently been stopped and fined £200 for 13% over on a pickup.
I would find a different way because 14tonnes of fert alone will still be overloaded on a trailer of that spec.
More than 30% overloaded and you will normally get a court summons, your vehicle may be immobilised, you can be fined £80 & your insurance may be invalid if you are involved in an accident.
Having recently been stopped and fined £200 for 13% over on a pickup.
I would find a different way because 14tonnes of fert alone will still be overloaded on a trailer of that spec.
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- Yorkshire
Is it more if your trailers Tri axle? 33ton?
TripleSix
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- Helmsley, North Yorkshire
Nope.
Trailer gross weight is 18.29 ton.
Maximum.
That's all you're allowed.
By law.
That's trailer and load combined.
Even if you have a Fendt with twin beacons.
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- Yorkshire
What if you have twin beacons and a light bar
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- Yorkshire
Note 1.6. thought I'd read something about Twin and Tri axles been different obviously didn't get made into law.
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