Boris fiddles

[jendan]

A very good point; governmental caps on energy prices to consumers have insulated them from reality, and now it's come back to bite, with a vengeance.

More private wind + tidal and state owned nuclear are the most obvious and, I think, rational solutions.

"Private wind" is when you fart and you dont want anyone else to know Seriously though,tidal would be the best but its enormously expensive,and you would have to banish the greenies because it destroys eco systems in the estuaries. Moon power!.........................State owned nuclear ? ..............wonder why we havent thought of that before.........................like the French............... without Chinese money.

 

[Danllan]

"Private wind" is when you fart and you dont want anyone else to know Seriously though,tidal would be the best but its enormously expensive,and you would have to banish the greenies because it destroys eco systems in the estuaries. Moon power!.........................State owned nuclear ? ..............wonder why we havent thought of that before.........................like the French............... without Chinese money.

I think we need nuclear for strategic reasons, power and military, but only 'enough' and no more. We agree in re tidal and China - and any other foreign player as far as I'm concerned; I'm 'greener' than most on here and like rewilding etc. but... there weren't many hedgerows before enclosure and I think people will get used to the new-normal of 'different' ecosystems around tidal set-ups.

It really is a no-brainer and, with a bit of foresight, the major barrages can be built with several replacement power sections from the start, each being used as an earlier one is modernised of the years. This would make economic, practical and environmental sense. What's your bet on it happening... ?

 

[Roger Perry]

I think we need nuclear for strategic reasons, power and military, but only 'enough' and no more. We agree in re tidal and China - and any other foreign player as far as I'm concerned; I'm 'greener' than most on here and like rewilding etc. but... there weren't many hedgerows before enclosure and I think people will get used to the new-normal of 'different' ecosystems around tidal set-ups.

It really is a no-brainer and, with a bit of foresight, the major barrages can be built with several replacement power sections from the start, each being used as an earlier one is modernised of the years. This would make economic, practical and environmental sense. What's your bet on it happening... ?

What is the cost per KWh in UK..?

 

[BrianV]

Gas prices in the USA have hardly moved at all, why because they have ample gas from fracking, here in the UK we are sitting on an endless supply of fracking gas but our pathetic government gave in to a few eco protesters who think wind is the answer to everything. When we are not able to get adequate supplies of gas to keep the lights on this winter & people are choosing between food or heat just remember who is to blame!

 

[Highland Mule]

What is the cost per KWh in UK..?

15-20p, typically. Plus a standing charge per day for the supply of roughly 30p

 

[Muck Spreader]

I think we need nuclear for strategic reasons, power and military, but only 'enough' and no more. We agree in re tidal and China - and any other foreign player as far as I'm concerned; I'm 'greener' than most on here and like rewilding etc. but... there weren't many hedgerows before enclosure and I think people will get used to the new-normal of 'different' ecosystems around tidal set-ups.

It really is a no-brainer and, with a bit of foresight, the major barrages can be built with several replacement power sections from the start, each being used as an earlier one is modernised of the years. This would make economic, practical and environmental sense. What's your bet on it happening... ?

I assume its the massive cost of building tidal barrages that's the problem plus on trend environmental factors. The French built the world's first commercial tidal generating plant in the estuary of the Rance river in the early sixties, which now it producing electricity cheaper than nuclear, but they never followed it up with anymore.

 

[BrianV]

Inflation what inflation? Bozo says, 8ft x 8in creosoted wooden hanging post from Mole Valley Farmers this morning including VAT £60!! Price of timber is being controlled to a large extent by the price power stations such as Drax are prepared to pay using their £800 million gov "green" subsidy

 

[Danllan]

I assume its the massive cost of building tidal barrages that's the problem plus on trend environmental factors. The French built the world's first commercial tidal generating plant in the estuary of the Rance river in the early sixties, which now it producing electricity cheaper than nuclear, but they never followed it up with anymore.

That's the thing, it is extremely expensive to start with; but I think there just has to be a realisation that the buck can't keep being passed. We need the power, it's an obvious choice but they're all too scared to tell the truth about it. But, sooner or later the Tories will obviously be on the way out here, just as Labour were and will be again too...

At such a point you'd think that, in the National Interest, the fvckwits from all sides would get together, the outgoing lot putting through the legislation necessary, the incoming lot lending them some 'rebels' to make sure it goes through, and that they are bound by contracts too expensive to get out of - - so when they get into power it will happen and they can't be blamed...

Clearly France has the same short-termism or there would be more successful tidal power there now.

 

[Hindsight]

Gas prices in the USA have hardly moved at all, why because they have ample gas from fracking, here in the UK we are sitting on an endless supply of fracking gas but our pathetic government gave in to a few eco protesters who think wind is the answer to everything. When we are not able to get adequate supplies of gas to keep the lights on this winter & people are choosing between food or heat just remember who is to blame!

Ah the joys of a densely populated country where 'open country' does not effectively exist anywhere, even the highland of Scotland while seemingly remote are a playground for many an urbanite, thus sacrosanct. The joys for US of having states with greater area than the UK populated with just a few million mostly corralled into a few conurbations.

 

[Muck Spreader]

That's the thing, it is extremely expensive to start with; but I think there just has to be a realisation that the buck can't keep being passed. We need the power, it's an obvious choice but they're all too scared to tell the truth about it. But, sooner or later the Tories will obviously be on the way out here, just as Labour were and will be again too...

At such a point you'd think that, in the National Interest, the fvckwits from all sides would get together, the outgoing lot putting through the legislation necessary, the incoming lot lending them some 'rebels' to make sure it goes through, and that they are bound by contracts too expensive to get out of - - so when they get into power it will happen and they can't be blamed...

Clearly France has the same short-termism or there would be more successful tidal power there now.

Presumably the French at the time could see a more viable energy future in the form of nuclear power, which to date has proved to be very effective. If anybody was short term it was UK, due to having an abundance of oil, coal and gas it failed to capitalise and invest in the world leading skills and knowledge it acquired in the development of nuclear power.

 

[Hindsight]

I assume its the massive cost of building tidal barrages that's the problem plus on trend environmental factors. The French built the world's first commercial tidal generating plant in the estuary of the Rance river in the early sixties, which now it producing electricity cheaper than nuclear, but they never followed it up with anymore.

That's the thing, it is extremely expensive to start with; but I think there just has to be a realisation that the buck can't keep being passed. We need the power, it's an obvious choice but they're all too scared to tell the truth about it. But, sooner or later the Tories will obviously be on the way out here, just as Labour were and will be again too...

At such a point you'd think that, in the National Interest, the fvckwits from all sides would get together, the outgoing lot putting through the legislation necessary, the incoming lot lending them some 'rebels' to make sure it goes through, and that they are bound by contracts too expensive to get out of - - so when they get into power it will happen and they can't be blamed...

Clearly France has the same short-termism or there would be more successful tidal power there now.

Just off the end of the River Nene where is joins The Wash clearly visible from the last Sea Wall at Sutton Bridge are the two prototype barrage walls constructed in the 1970s? When constructing a tidal barrage across The Wash was being seriously considered. Several metres high and wide built of compacted soil brought in from outside. Not sure exactly of the year. Chatting to the older locals who watched these being built the engineers were always concerned a serious North Sea tidal surge, such as experienced on 5 December 2013, would overwhelm the structure. The engineers comments to the locals were 'even if we think we can we cannot beat God!! Maybe defeatist!!

 

[arcobob]

Just off the end of the River Nene where is joins The Wash clearly visible from the last Sea Wall at Sutton Bridge are the two prototype barrage walls constructed in the 1970s? When constructing a tidal barrage across The Wash was being seriously considered. Several metres high and wide built of compacted soil brought in from outside. Not sure exactly of the year. Chatting to the older locals who watched these being built the engineers were always concerned a serious North Sea tidal surge, such as experienced on 5 December 2013, would overwhelm the structure. The engineers comments to the locals were 'even if we think we can we cannot beat God!! Maybe defeatist!!

The Wash barrage was a major missed opportunity to solve a water shortage, eliminate flooding threats and provide a road link and energy source. The Dutch would have laughed at us for missing such an opportunity. There will soon be too many windmills to plot a route.

 

[Roger Perry]

15-20p, typically. Plus a standing charge per day for the supply of roughly 30p

I pay 12c in New Mexico and 17c in Colorado.

 

[arcobob]

I pay 12c in New Mexico and 17c in Colorado.

That equates to roughly half our cost. I can think of a few legitimate reasons but I can also think of a number of illegitimate ones. Before our government starts lecturing to us about climate change and electric cars they want to start investing in our infrastructure and get a huge number of lazy barstewards back to work. It will take a very long time to convince me that electric vehicles will save the planet unless the power source for both motion and manufacture is from renewables and that is not going to happen for a very long time.

 

[Roger Perry]

That equates to roughly half our cost. I can think of a few legitimate reasons but I can also think of a number of illegitimate ones. Before our government starts lecturing to us about climate change and electric cars they want to start investing in our infrastructure and get a huge number of lazy barstewards back to work. It will take a very long time to convince me that electric vehicles will save the planet unless the power source for both motion and manufacture is from renewables and that is not going to happen for a very long time.

Batteries are not a long term solution as a means of propulsion.

 

[BrianV]

Ah the joys of a densely populated country where 'open country' does not effectively exist anywhere, even the highland of Scotland while seemingly remote are a playground for many an urbanite, thus sacrosanct. The joys for US of having states with greater area than the UK populated with just a few million mostly corralled into a few conurbations.

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Very poor excuse, fracking has been going on in England for decades with no adverse result, we have a pathetic government with no idea of the trouble they are & will be causing!

 

[Hindsight]

uk-england-23756320

Very poor excuse, fracking has been going on in England for decades with no adverse result, we have a pathetic government with no idea of the trouble they are & will be causing!

Agree. In the next village to me lives and works a friend who semi retired from the oil exploration industry. He was one of he the folk that said 'drill here'. He was busy a few years ago but has less on now and almost fully retired. Quite fascinating the explanations. But we cannot get away from politics afraid. Hey ho.

 

[arcobob]

Agree. In the next village to me lives and works a friend who semi retired from the oil exploration industry. He was one of he the folk that said 'drill here'. He was busy a few years ago but has less on now and almost fully retired. Quite fascinating the explanations. But we cannot get away from politics afraid. Hey ho.

There is a huge difference between listening to people and seeking votes. Politicians should be mouthpieces advised by independent experts to come up with the right solutions.
Having said that I think Professor Marshal is now running the health service, not the government.

 

[JP1]