Bps and corn prices

[Terry75]

In this instance then you should be able to negotiate a rent reduction….

Yes but it still wont be enough reflect the loss of bps. The other issue is with machinery prices the way they are, how sustainable is a small tenanted arable farm?

 

[teslacoils]

Yes but it still wont be enough reflect the loss of bps. The other issue is with machinery prices the way they are, how sustainable is a small tenanted arable farm?

Probably not sustainable as a full time proposition. That's the same as small owner-occupied farms. Although I'm not up to speed with various tenancy rules re off farm work. I shall be working part-time, off farm post-harvest.

 

[Goffer]

One estate near York recently has been by a large carrot grower given up we are lead to believe , reasons not totally known but same tenant lost 1000 acre elsewhere , landlords decision apparently. Regardless off the ins and outs circa 3500ac changing for likely strict business decisions could begin a watershed moment.

 

[Green oak]

I can imagine theres a lot of 55 year old farmers thinking the jobs done. But what government doesn’t realise there a lot of 25 to 35 farmers thinking the same. Perhaps that’s what they want.

 

[digger64]

Why would the land owner take £30 when they could take land back and just put it down to environmental scheme/ flowers.

this will affect the whole industry either directly or indirectly unless farm products rise in value and make it uncompetitive

 

[Flat 10]

Yes but it still wont be enough reflect the loss of bps. The other issue is with machinery prices the way they are, how sustainable is a small tenanted arable farm?

Plenty of old gear about. I agree the future doesn’t seem particularly rosy but I would have thought a 500ac tenanted farm should be ok especially if some is on aha…
Bloody hope so as I’m primarily a tenant farmer with no aha….

 

[Goffer]

Plenty of old gear about. I agree the future doesn’t seem particularly rosy but I would have thought a 500ac tenanted farm should be ok especially if some is on aha…
Bloody hope so as I’m primarily a tenant farmer

Ditto

 

[Grass And Grain]

Will stick my neck out and give this scenario.

Cereal cropping not as profitable as stewardship, so 15% land goes into stewardship (shift might take 2-5years to happen). No exportable surplus, grain price rises £30/t which replaces BPS loss. Plus a bit of SFI.

Only thing being inputs and machinery will go up in price if they see a buoyant grain price

40% of our farm allready in stewardship. I don't like it, but guaranteed income, more wildlife, less weather risk, less price risk, less machinery and labour cost, more time for family.

Meanwhile, OSR hits £500/t, wheat £212, but Mid Tier locked in for 5 years.

 

[nxy]

Exactly 100 years ago the UK repealed the Agriculture Act that protected UK farming. I am not trying to compare then and now but its interesting reading what happened the last time UK agriculture had to "stand on its own two feet". It took about ten years for UK agriculture to get into such a state that tariffs were reintroduced on imports and the marketing boards created to protect farmers.

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[Johnnyboxer]

Exactly 100 years ago the UK repealed the Agriculture Act that protected UK farming. I am not trying to compare then and now but its interesting reading what happened the last time UK agriculture had to "stand on its own two feet". It took about ten years for UK agriculture to get into such a state that tariffs were reintroduced on imports and the marketing boards created to protect farmers.

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[spin cycle]

40% of our farm allready in stewardship. I don't like it, but guaranteed income, more wildlife, less weather risk, less price risk, less machinery and labour cost, more time for family.

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taking a similar approach.....thing is sheep prices might stay good BUT if they crash i'd be left with the expense of keeping them on a falling market......working on my mixed farming offer now.....cutting flock circa 50%

told them on comments section of survey

 

[Bignor Farmer]

Why would the land owner take £30 when they could take land back and just put it down to environmental scheme/ flowers.

This

I’ve got two substantial arable FBT landlords scrambling to get into their own mid tier schemes wanting to blanket the land with GS4, grab the remaining bps and expect me to pay a rent on top if I want to keep it. Very serious situation for us.

 

[Flat 10]

This

I’ve got two substantial arable FBT landlords scrambling to get into their own mid tier schemes wanting to blanket the land with GS4, grab the remaining bps and expect me to pay a rent on top if I want to keep it. Very serious situation for us.

If they are going to do that then you should get the grazing for a nominal fee don’t you think as you won’t be able to do much farming and the gs4 will require maintenance?

 

[DRC]

Where’s all the seed coming from for options like GS4. And I bet there’s a price hike .
I’ve put in a wildlife offer, but been cautious on the amount of land . One small block of bird bee mix I’ve done is now swamped with wild oats, so these things aren’t bullet proof .

 

[GeorgeK]

Rotations are going to be interesting with crawler and kerb going. Wet winters are calling into question delayed drilling on heavy land. Not sure how sustainable early drilled winter wheat and spring barley will be because that's where we're headed round here.

 

[teslacoils]

Wall to wall gs4; digestate; sell one big cut; grazier in to tidy up is looking the zero-cost best option. Lump sum exit scheme and pass the running to a relative.

 

[GeorgeK]

Where’s all the seed coming from for options like GS4. And I bet there’s a price hike .
I’ve put in a wildlife offer, but been cautious on the amount of land . One small block of bird bee mix I’ve done is now swamped with wild oats, so these things aren’t bullet proof .

A healthy amount of docks in the seed bank will almost permanently write off the chances of successfully establishing flowers or bird mix. And as the seeds can remain viable in the soil for 70 years or more you might not even know they're lying in wait. Ask me how I know

 

[Bignor Farmer]

If they are going to do that then you should get the grazing for a nominal fee don’t you think as you won’t be able to do much farming and the gs4 will require maintenance?

I agree, but its the loss of 20-25% of my arable land and BPS that will be painful for my overheads and cash flow.

 

[redsloe]

Started a CS scheme this January.
All my pp into low input grassland(150a)
GS4 40a
AB9 14a
40% of the land i farm.
More importantly I don't have to necessarily change how I farm.
This should substitute 50% of my current bps payment so this year my payment will be higher.
By the time I'm actually starting to get out of pocket things should be clearer.

 

[DRC]

Wall to wall gs4; digestate; sell one big cut; grazier in to tidy up is looking the zero-cost best option. Lump sum exit scheme and pass the running to a relative.

I didn’t think you could harvest it or fertilise it . Is that both years or just at the end .