livestock 1
Member
They haven’t ruled out the option of scrapping the whole thing yet. That’s still on the table
Bps/sfi
- Thread starter Gedd
- Start date
potentially there are a couple but different farms will have different requirements and interpretation of how aims are achieved - i think defra want that to be the case
agree on the advisors - we had one and he knew no more than us, in fact i think he left with a few ideas
defra wasted their cash there ! (millions of it btw !) ……. there is far more “self help” in this very forum
i wouldn’t hold your breath
livestock 1
Member
It would be very assumptious of you to think that I have just guessed that
- Location
- Lincolnshire
The extra overhead of SFI schemes can’t be justified on a small acreage in my view. And if we were to put 30% out of production and receive only “income foregone” and no BPS, then we’d still be worse off by a sum equivalent to all of our BPS.
So we carry on without BPS or SFI while trying to maximise productivity while making it part time.
It feels cleaner simpler and more focussed actually. Less distractions.
So we carry on without BPS or SFI while trying to maximise productivity while making it part time.
It feels cleaner simpler and more focussed actually. Less distractions.
The reality is with current gov attitude it will continue to be a race to the bottom. Dont be surprised to see more intensive and productive land/farms in the same boat in 5-10yrs time.
- Location
- Near Colchester
Just had my accounts done, total profit a massive £5100 more than the subsidy reeived last year.
Some of the SFI doesn't cost much to acheive, I am looking at some grassy corners - nil expense, still better than rubbish spring barley.
hedge options, I have nearly enough trees for 1 every 100m, don't flail the tops of the hedge, more payment etc
Some of the SFI doesn't cost much to acheive, I am looking at some grassy corners - nil expense, still better than rubbish spring barley.
hedge options, I have nearly enough trees for 1 every 100m, don't flail the tops of the hedge, more payment etc
- Location
- North Somerset.
BPS here has either been banked or used for specific infrastructure projects or kit where it has been spent in the local economy.
There will be no SFI income because the net return does not meet the threshold necessary to make it worth while dealing with the RPA.
Not having the prospect of the RPA disagreeing with my interpretation of a scheme that has no measurable outcomes has a significant value.
Stress has a cost. Not having that stress will be a positive benefit to my health.
There will be no SFI income because the net return does not meet the threshold necessary to make it worth while dealing with the RPA.
Not having the prospect of the RPA disagreeing with my interpretation of a scheme that has no measurable outcomes has a significant value.
Stress has a cost. Not having that stress will be a positive benefit to my health.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
I think you have to be in it to win it. So OK this year OSR did a ton to the acre and the price is crap but last year I got over a ton and a half which with good price and oil bonus grossed just on £1000 an acre.
warksfarmer
Member
SFI doesn’t work. It’s going to cost what you get back so they end up with the green carbon credits at no cost to themselves but lots of cost to you whilst maintains control over you at the same time. People rushing into it have forgotten these points.
A scheme like SFI is easily setup by Defra with what rules they want. You sign into it then that’s it you are stuck.
If you aren’t in a scheme and no longer claiming any support then they can only get you through legalisation which takes much longer than creating rules in a scheme you’ve freely signed up into.
This is why they won’t get anywhere near the 70% uptake they want/need to appease net zero. They’ll be lucky to hit 40%.
livestock 1
Member
Sfi is basically withdrawal of hls or bps whichever way you look at it if you are in a hls that it
Norfolk Hill Farmer
Member
Why choose this moment to take the 33% out of production ? there have been CSS options for several years now ,that that could have achieved the same ends ,whilst stil claiming the BPS. The SFI just replaces the CSS in another guise ,from what I can see, There doesn’t seem to be much to replace the BPS.
Needs must, you dig deep, you cope. Farmers are resilient. Family farms more so than big set ups.
(no point in me claiming anything, when they are on 100% deduction) but it is good training for adapt and survive and like @DrWazzock says empowering.
(no point in me claiming anything, when they are on 100% deduction) but it is good training for adapt and survive and like @DrWazzock says empowering.
- Location
- Durham, UK
From an interview i saw that starmer did, he knows there is a problem with sfi but isnt going to ditch it. More sort it out, apparently.
If labour get in..
think it will be way down their priority list
i think it’s a good scheme for arable and as more standards get added it will improve further - those arable growers it does not suit clearly have farms productive enough to not need subsidy
livestock / grassland needs more though no doubt about that
i don’t think i it’s a mess at all, it’s way better than bps in terms of tax payer value
bps was just plain wrong imo - handing tax payers cash to wealthy landowners ……. can’t see labour wanting to bring that back !!!!
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
IMO, there is a major ‘spanner in the works’ of the SFI.
Why after promising it would be out and we could apply in August is the only thing we get is an email asking if we might be interested in it?
Something must have gone seriously wrong and that email is an excuse for yet another cock-up on RPA’s behalf!
Interesting that they ask if we would be interested and that they will contact us back if we are or might be.
So they can ‘dump’ all those not interested or wont be doing SFI, straight away and discount them.
Doesn’t this prove that after all this time and starving us of BPS funds, that they cannot get it right?
I don’t want to do SFI but am forced to because we need the income. WTF can’t they just get it going?
Why after promising it would be out and we could apply in August is the only thing we get is an email asking if we might be interested in it?
Something must have gone seriously wrong and that email is an excuse for yet another cock-up on RPA’s behalf!
Interesting that they ask if we would be interested and that they will contact us back if we are or might be.
So they can ‘dump’ all those not interested or wont be doing SFI, straight away and discount them.
Doesn’t this prove that after all this time and starving us of BPS funds, that they cannot get it right?
I don’t want to do SFI but am forced to because we need the income. WTF can’t they just get it going?
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- Location
- Durham, UK
Kicking it into the long grass hoping for a genral election?
4course
Member
- Location
- north yorks
Im stuggling to get arable payments any where near that which we could possibly achieve on our grass .Would you please be so good as to give a bit of a breakdown/ indication how you are thinking cos every one else ive spoken to is same as me on the arable other than the basics and fannying about with hedges and none is thinking of taking more than a few small areas out of production yet ? nor are they relying on future alterations to cultivations etc
FarmerBruce
Member
- Location
- Yorkshire
Also whilst you’re on Clive. Could you give any ideas as to what you are going to do which gives better gross margins than osr. Thanks
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
Wouldn’t surprise me.
I know somebody whose wife is fairly senior working for RPA and I hear all sorts of horror stories as to the situation.
The pending Election is a definite factor and there is no doubt that they expect a major shake up. Not only in policy but the one(s) designing and implementing, who most of them cannot stand!