Bull choice for heifers

[sjewart]

Anyone have thoughts on Lodge Hamlet, versus Kingbull or Sarkley Goddart for strong heifers?

 

[AGN76]

Kingbull will probably kill them.
Goddard didnt last long.
Probably Hamlet.
Can you get some Galileo? Or Tomschoice Nation?

 

[sjewart]

Kingbull will probably kill them.
Goddard didnt last long.
Probably Hamlet.
Can you get some Galileo? Or Tomschoice Nation?

Yes I can get Galileo. Would he be worth a straw? Iv these three to settle.

 

[Holsteinfriesian90]

Oakchurch duster.

 

[sjewart]

Oakchurch duster.

Angus? [emoji44]

 

[Happy]

@shearerlad

 

[shearerlad]

Thanks for the tag @Happy
@sjewart I still highly rate lodge hamlet and you have had good success him. Another option is Tomschoice Lexicon. He is by Kaprico Eravellle, a renowned easy calver. I really like the look of this lad but not got any straws yet

 

[AGN76]

Thanks for the tag @Happy
@sjewart I still highly rate lodge hamlet and you have had good success him. Another option is Tomschoice Lexicon. He is by Kaprico Eravellle, a renowned easy calver. I really like the look of this lad but not got any straws yetView attachment 880632View attachment 880633

Is he Cogent?

 

[shearerlad]

Is he Cogent?

Norbreck genetics. Maybe not so handy if you are relying on a ai tech to do your inseminations

 

[LancsBeef]

Hi, we calve a mixture of suckers all ai to genus bulls, have had mixed results with hamlet to be honest, all turned into good quality calves but some are quite weak on the legs at birth, not a problem we have had with other breeds and cows so can only assume it is a bull related issue which has put us off further use to be honest.

 

[sjewart]

Hi, we calve a mixture of suckers all ai to genus bulls, have had mixed results with hamlet to be honest, all turned into good quality calves but some are quite weak on the legs at birth, not a problem we have had with other breeds and cows so can only assume it is a bull related issue which has put us off further use to be honest.

In what way have you found the calves to be weak can I ask? Bent legs?

 

[sjewart]

Thanks for the tag @Happy
@sjewart I still highly rate lodge hamlet and you have had good success him. Another option is Tomschoice Lexicon. He is by Kaprico Eravellle, a renowned easy calver. I really like the look of this lad but not got any straws yetView attachment 880632View attachment 880633

He looks a nice bull! Would have tried a straw for sure but I'm dependent on an a.i. technician [emoji51]. Made enquiries but can't even get Galileo - bull dead and straws all gone. I'm not against Lodge Hamlet but in our situation the quality hasn't always been consistent and I did have a calf last year with real leg bent issues.

 

[shearerlad]

Having a wee search, Genus have a bull, Tomschoice Nation, very similarly bred to lexicon that may be worth a shot.

 

[Wolds Beef]

Why not try some Lincoln Red!! You will not be disappointed with the result and they will be calm, easy feeders.
WB

 

[sjewart]

Having a wee search, Genus have a bull, Tomschoice Nation, very similarly bred to lexicon that may be worth a shot.

I'm not seeing these bulls. Il look online as my brochure is old.

 

[Holsteinfriesian90]

Hi, we calve a mixture of suckers all ai to genus bulls, have had mixed results with hamlet to be honest, all turned into good quality calves but some are quite weak on the legs at birth, not a problem we have had with other breeds and cows so can only assume it is a bull related issue which has put us off further use to be honest.

We had a similar problem had one calf put down because it went off it’s legs.

 

[LancsBeef]

Yea some seem to have weak and bent back legs, they do straighten over time but not that impressed in comparison to other bulls we have used

 

[sjewart]

Yea some seem to have weak and bent back legs, they do straighten over time but not that impressed in comparison to other bulls we have used

I would agree that legs seem to be an issue with Lodge Hamlet calves. I've had one calf very bent in the front legs and will be lucky to fatten and another with a back leg that tended to go out sideways at the knee - that came OK. Made me interested in trying something else.

 

[Katarina]

Lodge Hamlet is the bull we use on everything. Good easy calving bull that consistently throws great stock. Does what is says on the tin. Cant fault the bull and we've ordered 30 more straws yesterday as hes on at a decent price too.

 

[Sir loin]

Anyone tried Hamilcar Genus easy calving French bull (I have bought 10 straws looking for a replacement for Conan)also just bought some Ironda as a friend has some top quality calves by this bull perhaps not a bull for heifers though. I have AI'd 5 pue Lim heifers to Tomschoice Nation this year purely on Eravelle in the pedigree (I did hear that Eravelle himself did not want using on anything with British Blue in the dam, very big calves, anyone else heard that)