CA without Glyphosate

[Adeptandy]

First year of DD and looking at spending ( for me ) a considerable amount of £ on a drill, but as I'm a novice at it, I'm reliant on Glysophate for pre drilling cleanup due to bad BG infestation.

If it goes in 2 years what are the plans to replace or get round the issue ?

 

[robs1]

First year of DD and looking at spending ( for me ) a considerable amount of £ on a drill, but as I'm a novice at it, I'm reliant on Glysophate for pre drilling cleanup due to bad BG infestation.

If it goes in 2 years what are the plans to replace or get round the issue ?

I expect there will a replacement that will arrive just in time, I'm sure the chem firms arent that blind to see what will happen to glyphosate before long, of course it will be a lot dearer, long term maybe robots will be used to weed the crops, solar powered and roam the fields until say T1 timing removing every weed. That is the answer, even bg wont be resistant to being pulled up

 

[Brisel]

I wish I shared your optimism @robs1 Syngenta have a molecule coming through registration but that's at least 4 years away assuming it makes it through at all. No doubt a few manufacturers of selective herbicides are putting together a cocktail to extend their own labels. I'm glad I still have some steel in the yard even though it goes against what we're trying to do.

 

[Two Tone]

The ELMS designers are going to have an awful lot of egg on their faces if they are trying to promote No-TIL Direct drilling and Glyphosate gets banned, aren’t they?

But I’ll also be keeping my steel in the yard, just in case, anyway!

 

[Fish]

Just buy a drill that will drill into cultivated or DD, if you are that worried re glypho.

 

[clbarclay]

Grass down the whole farm might work or if you can, go completely against the principles and put it all down to a long term lay of bricks and mortar.

 

[Clive]

it won’t go (it’s a distraction to keep the nfu quango peeps busy and farmers feeling they do sone thing useful !)

but if it did a combination of inter row hoes / mowers / crimpers and rotation will be a big part of the solution

if we loose it i will probably go organic ..........

 

[ajd132]

it won’t go (it’s a distraction to keep the nfu quango peeps busy and farmers feeling they do sone thing useful !)

but if it did a combination of inter row hoes / mowers / crimpers and rotation will be a big part of the solution

if we loose it i will probably go organic ..........

Agree with you.
Some people seem to rub their hands with glee at the though of zero tillers going back to ploughing and repeated cultivation, however I think zero till will become even more important if glyphosate went.
if I had to go back to ploughing and repeated cultivation’s to control weeds in a conventional system it would simply be uneconomic to farm Conventionally with the huge increase in overheads in the form of machinery, labour and fuel.

 

[farmerm]

it won’t go (it’s a distraction to keep the nfu quango peeps busy and farmers feeling they do sone thing useful !)

but if it did a combination of inter row hoes / mowers / crimpers and rotation will be a big part of the solution

if we loose it i will probably go organic ..........

once we are all organic there wont be the necessary premium for organic to pay either....

 

[SilliamWhale]

Agree with you.
Some people seem to rub their hands with glee at the though of zero tillers going back to ploughing and repeated cultivation, however I think zero till will become even more important if glyphosate went.
if I had to go back to ploughing and repeated cultivation’s to control weeds in a conventional system it would simply be uneconomic to farm Conventionally with the huge increase in overheads in the form of machinery, labour and fuel.

I think a lot of recreational cultivators want it to go so they can feel a bit smug as if they were doing the right thing all along. That said its not as if we no tillers couldn't learn to use a plough, that said if glyphosate goes then we must insist all our herbicides should go as well

 

[Two Tone]

Agree with you.
Some people seem to rub their hands with glee at the though of zero tillers going back to ploughing and repeated cultivation, however I think zero till will become even more important if glyphosate went.
if I had to go back to ploughing and repeated cultivation’s to control weeds in a conventional system it would simply be uneconomic to farm Conventionally with the huge increase in overheads in the form of machinery, labour and fuel.

I think a lot of recreational cultivators want it to go so they can feel a bit smug as if they were doing the right thing all along. That said its not as if we no tillers couldn't learn to use a plough, that said if glyphosate goes then we must insist all our herbicides should go as well

I agree with @Clive that it is highly unlikely that Glyphosate or something very similar to replace it, would be banned.
However, there might be a case where some form of rotational ploughing becomes necessary if it were.

Anybody rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of it ending zero-till is an utter fool and doesn't deserve to be a farmer. Repeated cultivations wouldn't be the answer and would make their weed situation even worse. But occasional ploughing would work and really doesn't cost so much that it will have such a huge increase in your overheads.

Recreational Cultivators are just as foolish as those who would feel smug if Glyphosate was banned to annoy those of us who use zero-till techniques.

BUT NOT I might add AS FOOLISH as anybody suggesting that if Glyphosate is banned, SO SHOULD ALL OTHER HERBICIDES!
FFS!

 

[Clive]

once we are all organic there wont be the necessary premium for organic to pay either....

true but there will also be a LOT less food grown so supply and demand will shift

 

[Clive]

Biggest problem Glyphosate has is no one is making any significant money out of making or selling it ................ i'm sure a replacement will be along some time soon

 

[SilliamWhale]

I agree with @Clive that it is highly unlikely that Glyphosate or something very similar to replace it, would be banned.
However, there might be a case where some form of rotational ploughing becomes necessary if it were.

Anybody rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of it ending zero-till is an utter fool and doesn't deserve to be a farmer. Repeated cultivations wouldn't be the answer and would make their weed situation even worse. But occasional ploughing would work and really doesn't cost so much that it will have such a huge increase in your overheads.

Recreational Cultivators are just as foolish as those who would feel smug if Glyphosate was banned to annoy those of us who use zero-till techniques.

BUT NOT I might add AS FOOLISH as anybody suggesting that if Glyphosate is banned, SO SHOULD ALL OTHER HERBICIDES!
FFS!

Why not ban all herbicides if we going to single out a safe one?

 

[Will Blackburn]

Biggest problem Glyphosate has is no one is making any significant money out of making or selling it ................ i'm sure a replacement will be along some time soon

They are when it’s used as a selective herbicide.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Why not ban all herbicides if we going to single out a safe one?

Or chemicals I general use like ie Synthetic Pyretheroids ......

Good point.

 

[rob1]

A permanent prostrate white clover understory and dd into it might work in an organic situation, low output but minimal cost

 

[yellow belly]

Just buy a drill that will drill into cultivated or DD, if you are that worried re glypho.

every one round here who cultivates uses more passes with glyphosate that i do with notill

if it is banned then stewardship will be over subscribed wild bird seed nectar mix and 2 year legume pay more than non glyphosate farming