cap the CAP

[Bossfarmer]

It used to and to be fair, if land costs £8k per acre and current borrowing is 3% or less, then it covers one third of the interest, so is still a very relevant figure and my points still stand.

what are farmers moaning at then go buy some land....

 

[Steevo]

What is the point of the CAP/BPS?
What do we as a population want from this money?
What results would we as a country like from the money?

Do the public/government/anyone really know?
What would be the effects of reducing/removing/re-purposing it?
What would we stand to lose if changes were made?

Until the CAP has a defined purpose, it'll keep being pulled around by everyone and anyone who wants the money for their ends.

 

[brigadoon]

its all relative to the costs of these big businesses, i can assure you the £80/acre sub will not pay the interest on the mortgage

And yet on a thread some time ago asking what people did with thier BPS a significant proportion of responders said they used it to (partially) pay for expansion.

Big business cost is (or should be) lower than small business, relatively speaking. A payment cap is entirely justifiable imo

 

[Hampton]

what are farmers moaning at then go buy some land....

You're the one moaning! I think the rest of us understand that it will be very hard on our businesses, but that subsidies are going to fall.
You appear to be the one in denial.

 

[yellow belly]

Whatever cap farms just under the cap would increase in number
Sons wives daughters would all have a farm and super contractors do the work

Ray macsharry originally proposed a limit on iacs of 180 acres this was voted down by the eu ministers after consultation
Every farmer above 180 acres in would have made workers redundant

For those who want to cap at average wage
They should as should any one be paid more than the average wage putting them more extramarital than the current Labour Party
Venezuela is a suitable model

Post brexit no subsidy or production surport
Linked to world prices to maintain food supply we had that sort of system pre eu
When prices are low surport when they are high reduce it

 

[Henarar]

heres a suggestion,...pay everyone exactly the same per acre whats fairer than that?

I didn't say pay everyone the same per acre I said pay everyone the same

 

[Henarar]

you forget that the grass was used to collect beef premium, sheep pre and extensification which on an LFA farm turned into real money.

Not if the grass was made in to hay and sold
lets put it this way there was no payment on that land but next door could get a payment

 

[DRC]

You told me you spent all day watching sky go?

Obviously not with all the kids he’s got .

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Obviously not with all the kids he’s got .

I don’t think they had tv let alone sky when he knocked them out

 

[DRC]

The TFA proposed the big farms take the hit, with a cap at £100k, as they believe the payments over that directly lead to inflated fbt rents.
Predictably the NFU, CLA and all the big bodies that get millions, disagree.

 

[digger64]

That's E="silverfox, post: 5219624, member: 334"]The TFA proposed the big farms take the hit, with a cap at £100k, as they believe the payments over that directly lead to inflated fbt rents.
Predictably the NFU, CLA and all the big bodies that get millions, disagree.[/QUOTE]
Thats about it

 

[YorkshireAndrew]

The TFA proposed the big farms take the hit, with a cap at £100k, as they believe the payments over that directly lead to inflated fbt rents.
Predictably the NFU, CLA and all the big bodies that get millions, disagree.

I could scrape by on £100,000 . [emoji849]

 

[Steevo]

The TFA proposed the big farms take the hit, with a cap at £100k, as they believe the payments over that directly lead to inflated fbt rents.
Predictably the NFU, CLA and all the big bodies that get millions, disagree.

It's surprising to me that the govt aren't taking a selfish view by capping.

If you capped at £100k for example (based on reference years as mentioned above)....anyone above claiming £1million would only claim £100k max - £900,000 reclaimed for the UK govt to use as they see fit. It would be a pretty difficult one to argue against based on public perception.

If you shave 10% off all BPS claims, you'd save £100k on that claim.....but the majority are much much less. A £30k claim would only result in £3k back to the govt....hardly worth the cost of administering.

Hence it's surprising to me the govt took the option they did - very much unlike politicians I know.


The big question, is what would the ripple effect be on capping large recipients? I expect the ripple would be much more obvious (not better or worse, just higher profile) than that of capping 10% all round.

 

[Steevo]

I could scrape by on £100,000 . [emoji849]

Haha, I'm waiting for someone to propose a cap of £100k for those above the threshold......followed by an increase to £100k for those below.

There are always opportunists to every policy!

 

[YorkshireAndrew]

Haha, I'm waiting for someone to propose a cap of £100k for those above the threshold......followed by an increase to £100k for those below.

There are always opportunists to every policy!

My thoughts exactly . [emoji16]

 

[Bossfarmer]

I didn't say pay everyone the same per acre I said pay everyone the same

so a guy with one field and a few sheep no kit or staff to pay for and a job on the side gets the same sub as large operator???????????

 

[brigadoon]

so a guy with one field and a few sheep no kit or staff to pay for and a job on the side gets the same sub as large operator???????????

Dunno where you got that Idea from but not one I recall seeing

 

[7610 super q]

so a guy with one field and a few sheep no kit or staff to pay for and a job on the side gets the same sub as large operator???????????

You're wasting question marks.

 

[milkloss]

Dunno where you got that Idea from but not one I recall seeing

I didn't say pay everyone the same per acre I said pay everyone the same

 

[Hilly]

Scottish Nfu have a no bad idea for the future of Scottish sub, weather its implemented or not is another matter but its no a bad idea.