Cereals 2021 going ahead

[Mounty]

So it seems that they plan to run this event. Quote below

Prior to the latest lockdown, Cereals was advised by officials that outdoor events could host up to 6000 guests at one time. That is obviously negated given the current lockdown. That being said, given that we will be moving into warmer weather soon and given the fact that vaccinations have started, we are hopeful that limits on outdoor events will again be relaxed in the spring. The Cereals event takes a great deal of preplanning so we are moving ahead with our work in hopes that we will be able to hold the event in June.

Viewed from and exhibitors POV, the prospect of an event with half the attendees compared to normal doesn't appeal much, assuming that the 6000 figure is per day and not for the whole event. No idea how many exhibitors would be involved but 1000 per day probably wouldn't cover it.

Would anyone plan to attend, and if you do, how do you get a ticket, first come first served?
Not sure what I think about it at the moment apart from the fact it would be nice to get out/have a bit of a change but not at the expense of keeping safe.

 

[gone up the hill]

Not a hope i would have said ( sadly )

Only way they might get away with it is by calling it a business event because in the new normal having fun is frowned upon and illegal!

Even if lockdown ends it will just go back to the tier system and most county's will be in tier 3/4 and the problem with the tier system is that they can change what you can/cannot do at the drop of a hat so events like the above are taking one hell of a gamble by going ahead.

Anything like county shows/ music events this year wont happen as things look.

People are certainly getting very fed up with not being able to do anything and if the government aren't careful people will start to kick back and the latter is certainly already happening in other country's.

 

[Bobthebuilder]

Northumberland county show organisers announced last week that this years show normally on bank holiday Monday at end of may has been cancelled again, personally I think all the big events should take responsibility and do the same for this year as well, no point in putting on half a show at pretty much the same cost to the organisers, better off saving any costs and the possibility of still spreading the virus

 

[gone up the hill]

Northumberland county show organisers announced last week that this years show normally on bank holiday Monday at end of may has been cancelled again, personally I think all the big events should take responsibility and do the same for this year as well, no point in putting on half a show at pretty much the same cost to the organisers, better off saving any costs and the possibility of still spreading the virus

The virus will be around for years, the vaccine wont stop you getting it.

So are you saying life should be put on hold and lockdown like it currently is should carry on for years with events like county shows etc banned for all these years??

As an aside my local one day show lost 46k last year and that includes putting the staff on furlough etc, if it does not go ahead this year that is another 46k!

How long can shows etc like this carry these losses and still be around at the end of it??

 

[Bobthebuilder]

I’m saying they should be put on hold for this year and give them a chance to get as much vaccinations done as possible, wether you believe it will help or not is your choice, but I can’t see the same amount of exhibitors or public wanting to risk going to mass gatherings at public events for a while yet

 

[Gong Farmer]

Didn't I see a headline this morning that Boris is considering letting us out for Easter, like he did at Christmas? Even if we stay 'free' after that, that's only 8 weeks before Cereals.

 

[Mounty]

Yep, and Lamma is scheduled for 3 weeks earlier in May. I just think they should postpone until 2022 like a lot of the county shows have. Assuming Lamma 2022 goes ahead as well, that will mean 2 Lamma events inside 8 months.

 

[yellow belly]

Didn't I see a headline this morning that Boris is considering letting us out for Easter, like he did at Christmas? Even if we stay 'free' after that, that's only 8 weeks before Cereals.

Don’t think they know or have enough information to say what happens at Easter

they can have a few scenarios but should not publish them because people will respond and cause hiccups inthe case rates

we need vaccination rates to be high and the lock down to be effective and then see what the case rates are in March

journalists have to print to get paid trouble is they now do not report the facts just spend all day trawling the internet and speculating the what ifs

 

[Mark C]

Our county YFC rally is usually around 20th May. It was had the plug pulled a couple of weeks ago. Given the huge logistical challenges of putting on an event like cereals I would be very surprised if it wasn't canned in the next fortnight

 

[Sid]

Outside open air sunny day , can't see a problem.

Inside, close proximity, sharing air middle or winter is bigger risk at markets everyday of the week!

 

[Hindsight]

Don’t think they know or have enough information to say what happens at Easter

they can have a few scenarios but should not publish them because people will respond and cause hiccups inthe case rates

we need vaccination rates to be high and the lock down to be effective and then see what the case rates are in March

journalists have to print to get paid trouble is they now do not report the facts just spend all day trawling the internet and speculating the what ifs

Boris has to keep fending off the attack dogs of the former ERG - who now they have Brexit Done (sic!!) are onto the next topic. Steve Baker and his mates want dropping from an RAF plane somewhere off Rockall with a canoe and one paddle.

 

[gone up the hill]

Our county YFC rally is usually around 20th May. It was had the plug pulled a couple of weeks ago. Given the huge logistical challenges of putting on an event like cereals I would be very surprised if it wasn't canned in the next fortnight

Only way shows etc can carry on and start physically putting the show together is if for example at 11 pm the night before the show is due to take place that the Government change the tier's for that area and the show is called off that they can afford to cover all the costs they have already spent and still have enough cash reserves to hold a show in 2022! ( if they will be allowed to hold a show in 2022 and which i think is very unlikely as well ) if they cant they cant take the risk on trying to go ahead this year as they cant get any insurance and the insurance issue is why Glasto was called off this week !

 

[Nigel Wellings]

I have exhibited at Cereals for last 20 years or so. Great event that has been a pleasure to do both from a business and social point of view. Numbers have declined seriously over last 2-3 events but I am still keen to support as an Exhibitor. I get fairly annoyed though when it is the only event that has refused to refund exhibitor monies from last year. I was told by a farming friend last week that he contacted them a number of times for refunds on tickets he purchased prior to last years event. He has not even had the courtesy of a response.
From an Exhibitors perspective it takes weeks before to organise, why should any of us bother therefore throwing good money after bad,if a government decision could halt it the day before the event.

 

[Mounty]

I have exhibited at Cereals for last 20 years or so. Great event that has been a pleasure to do both from a business and social point of view. Numbers have declined seriously over last 2-3 events but I am still keen to support as an Exhibitor. I get fairly annoyed though when it is the only event that has refused to refund exhibitor monies from last year. I was told by a farming friend last week that he contacted them a number of times for refunds on tickets he purchased prior to last years event. He has not even had the courtesy of a response.
From an Exhibitors perspective it takes weeks before to organise, why should any of us bother therefore throwing good money after bad,if a government decision could halt it the day before the event.

I echo your sentiments on that. It does take time and money to prepare for these events and it wasn't really on our radar for this year, so now have a dilemma as to whether we actually plan to go or not? For accommodation for the staff for a couple of nights, we usually struggle to get anything local unless we book almost a year in advance. Whilst I don't expect anywhere is particularly booked up currently, I can see this being an issue nearer the time. In addition to this, I have staff who are uneasy about attending given the current situation, most being in the age group that are unlikely to have been offered vaccines by then.

 

[Clive]

got a meeting with them next week so will no doubt know more

seems ambitious ! but i guess by then a LOT of people will have been vaccinated???

 

[deleted user 837354]

Outside open air sunny day , can't see a problem.

Inside, close proximity, sharing air middle or winter is bigger risk at markets everyday of the week!

Ok, so you want an event to take place, which we know will:

Involve large numbers of people using public transport together?

OR

Large numbers of people travelling long distances in cars?

AND

Large numbers of people frequenting and using/sharing the same show stands, food outlets and toilet or wash facilities?

AND

Large numbers of people staying in overnight accommodation?


We need to move past this 'outdoors you are safe' thing. Right now, you don't want people having road traffic accidents- the hospitals don't want them and the emergency services are pretty busy as it stands. This virus also spreads by touch, not just breathing the stuff in. Fresh air isn't an antiseptic.



Forget it. Seriously.

 

[Mark Hatton]

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[Sid]

Ok, so you want an event to take place, which we know will:

Involve large numbers of people using public transport together?

OR

Large numbers of people travelling long distances in cars?

AND

Large numbers of people frequenting and using/sharing the same show stands, food outlets and toilet or wash facilities?

AND

Large numbers of people staying in overnight accommodation?


We need to move past this 'outdoors you are safe' thing. Right now, you don't want people having road traffic accidents- the hospitals don't want them and the emergency services are pretty busy as it stands. This virus also spreads by touch, not just breathing the stuff in. Fresh air isn't an antiseptic.



Forget it. Seriously.

I just thought it was safer than some stuff that is going on.

Seen 4 lots of walkers out today. NONE socially distancing!

Seen groups of kids together, no school. NONE socially distancing!

Travelling doesn't kill you. As long as you socially distance and take correct precautions.
More people will catch civid getting a Mc d's or visiting a supermarket than going to an outdoor venue!

 

[Mounty]

I just thought it was safer than some stuff that is going on.

Seen 4 lots of walkers out today. NONE socially distancing!

Seen groups of kids together, no school. NONE socially distancing!

Travelling doesn't kill you. As long as you socially distance and take correct precautions.
More people will catch civid getting a Mc d's or visiting a supermarket than going to an outdoor venue!

What makes you think a bunch of farmers or exhibitors will socially distance any better?? Way less numbers in your examples than at Cereals I'd imagine?

 

[deleted user 837354]

I just thought it was safer than some stuff that is going on.

Seen 4 lots of walkers out today. NONE socially distancing!

Seen groups of kids together, no school. NONE socially distancing!

Travelling doesn't kill you. As long as you socially distance and take correct precautions.
More people will catch civid getting a Mc d's or visiting a supermarket than going to an outdoor venue!

The more people who travel, the easier the virus spreads and the increased risk of car accidents. The government want this all minimised. I don't go anywhere at present except to drive to work and I get diesel on route. Very occasionally I get to pick up our daughter from school or I will run for half an hour or so around the village where it is rare I will see a soul.

When I do collect my daughter I wear a mask and stay away from other people and have my daughter meet me at the school gates. That other morons, walkers and the like are not following government advice does not surprise me but I would be irresponsible to visit crowded public places one day knowing full well I could be working amongst patients tomorrow who I know are at far greater risk of developing complications from the virus than myself.

Why the heck people choose to walk or congregate in huge groups in the present circumstances I have no idea. We stay as a family and avoid other people besides greeting them from the other side of the street. It feels dodgy enough just entering a petrol station to buy fuel.