Chianina cattle

[topground]

Anyone on here using Chianina genetics in the UK? The BCMS report on births shows 7 Chianina cross calves born across Caithness Banff and Orkney in March this year.
Does someone have a market for 1.5kg TBone steaks?

 

[egbert]

Anyone on here using Chianina genetics in the UK? The BCMS report on births shows 7 Chianina crosscalves born across Caithness Banff and Orkney in March this year.
Does someone have a market for 1.5kg TBone steaks?

you're not going to infuse some of that in yer sheeteds....surely?

 

[topground]

you're not going to infuse some of that in yer sheeteds....surely?

Absolutey not! You seen the size of the Chianina? Wouldn't suit my tin and string setup. Looks like they would step over most of my fences based on standard pig wire on 5'6" posts with a strand of barbed as if they weren't there.
Just interested in the genetics folk are using.and why.

 

[egbert]

Absolutey not! You seen the size of the Chianina? Wouldn't suit my tin and string setup. Looks like they would step over most of my fences based on standard pig wire on 5'6" posts with a strand of barbed as if they weren't there.
Just interested in the genetics folk are using.and why.

Its no good asking me.
I reckon shutting beasts in an enclosure in the first place was a retrograde step, ne'er mind breeding em up to the size of elephants

 

[Cripper]

Yes loads of people are using descendants of them. They are said to have been used on Canadian Angus cattle to increase frame size. Red Swiss was used to give maternal qualities to milkless cows imported from Scotland

 

[M-J-G]

I've heard it said that the Chianina along with the Holstein were used to breed the AA into the monsters that they are today.

Not sure how true that is, but it was a Canadian AA breeder who told me.

 

[egbert]

I've heard it said that the Chianina along with the Holstein were used to breed the AA into the monsters that they are today.

Not sure how true that is, but it was a Canadian AA breeder who told me.

I don't know bout that, but I had a modern one (AA) which was NOT homozygous (?) for naturally polled, and if a cows granny had once seen a charolais over the fence, silver calves could appear. (or occasionally brindled, which kinda foxed me)

 

[jamesy]

it’s not you and your wonderful flask of bulls is it @davieogrutha is it?

 

[davieogrutha]

it’s not you and your wonderful flask of bulls is it @davieogrutha is it?

? Nope not me. Think I would be tempted to try low lines before them?

 

[NZDan]

I've heard it said that the Chianina along with the Holstein were used to breed the AA into the monsters that they are today.

Not sure how true that is, but it was a Canadian AA breeder who told me.

Just like all the UK Angus and Shorthorns that have had Belgium Blue and Limmie bred into them to increase muscle.

 

[M-J-G]

BSH has mainly had Maine Anjou introduced, done in an open herdbook situation.

I can't speak for AA but the muscle came from somewhere.

 

[willie waver]

Anyone on here using Chianina genetics in the UK? The BCMS report on births shows 7 Chianina cross calves born across Caithness Banff and Orkney in March this year.
Does someone have a market for 1.5kg TBone steaks?

sounds suspiciously like someone was registering charlies and their mouse finger twitched on the drop down box without them noticing. I tend to register calves in batches of 7 as that's one envelope full, and the previous breed is always left unless you change it

 

[Happy]

There was a bit in the Scottish farmer a couple of weeks ago about a guy who had some Romagnola calves born recently from 44 year old straws he had in his tank. Also said he had some Chianina and a couple of other unusual breeds born recently.
Maybe it’s the same place as these ones?

 

[NZDan]

BSH has mainly had Maine Anjou introduced, done in an open herdbook situation.

I can't speak for AA but the muscle came from somewhere.

Given that a large number of SH now carry double muscling I suspect the BB had more impact than the MA.
There are many AA carrying the double muscle gene that is the same as the Limmie gene, some breeders are actively selecting for it.

 

[M-J-G]

Given that a large number of SH now carry double muscling I suspect the BB had more impact than the MA.
There are many AA carrying the double muscle gene that is the same as the Limmie gene, some breeders are actively selecting for it.

I don't see many BSH showing double muscling, certainly a lot more evident AA

Is the MA not double muscled?

Aren't the Native breed Societies trying to get rid if double muscling?

 

[Angus77]

Given that a large number of SH now carry double muscling I suspect the BB had more impact than the MA.
There are many AA carrying the double muscle gene that is the same as the Limmie gene, some breeders are actively selecting for it.

The myostatin gene that is permitted in the Angus is the nt821 which is common in the Belgium blue and causes heavier calves and therefore more difficult births. The main Limousin gene is F94L which causes increased muscle mass after birth so easier calvings. This F94L gene will cause your angus to be deresistered from the pedigree breeding herd. Can understand why people want the shape in the cattle, but personally for the above reasons would use a Lim over a muscled angus anyday, so feel they will ultimately destroy the reputation of the breed by pushing these heavy terminal angus. Have my tin hat ready and waiting as I am sure i will be shot at. Only my humble opinion.

 

[NZDan]

The myostatin gene that is permitted in the Angus is the nt821 which is common in the Belgium blue and causes heavier calves and therefore more difficult births. The main Limousin gene is F94L which causes increased muscle mass after birth so easier calvings. This F94L gene will cause your angus to be deresistered from the pedigree breeding herd. Can understand why people want the shape in the cattle, but personally for the above reasons would use a Lim over a muscled angus anyday, so feel they will ultimately destroy the reputation of the breed by pushing these heavy terminal angus. Have my tin hat ready and waiting as I am sure i will be shot at. Only my humble opinion.

The Double muscling gene in BB originally came from double muscled Angus cattle. That maybe the reasoning, but I agree with you.

 

[Farmer Fin]

I was always led to believe that the SH and BB share quite a close ancestry.

 

[Farmer Fin]

I was always led to believe that the SH and BB share quite a close ancestry.

Correction SH was one of the founding breeds in a BB

 

[M-J-G]

Correction SH was one of the founding breeds in a BB

Aren't they just a mutant Shorthorn cross?