Climate Change & the Farmgate

We are currently being assessed based on our usage of "Fossil Fuels" - of which our usage of Fertiliser seems to be weighed against us heavily.

Is this correct ?

I buy based on the price of Nitrogen not how it has been manufactured. Whereas the government is punishing me based on how it was manufactured whilst at the same time activily promoting human waste being flushed into the sea.

To follow Government "Green" policy the government need to recycle human waste and food waste back to the farmer so I can buy it. I can't do that but government can IF they actually want to do recycling (Which I doubt VERY much).
 

delilah

Member
Unsure what the question is, or who is asking it of you, but in any event, just say "There is nothing wrong my side of the farm gate". If they come back at you, just repeat "There is nothing wrong my side of the farm gate". Until they go away.
And if any of your national representative bodies don't back you up in that statement, sack them.
 
We are currently being assessed based on our usage of "Fossil Fuels" - of which our usage of Fertiliser seems to be weighed against us heavily.

Is this correct ?

I buy based on the price of Nitrogen not how it has been manufactured. Whereas the government is punishing me based on how it was manufactured whilst at the same time activily promoting human waste being flushed into the sea.

To follow Government "Green" policy the government need to recycle human waste and food waste back to the farmer so I can buy it. I can't do that but government can IF they actually want to do recycling (Which I doubt VERY much).

I had clients who were having to do a similar carbon audit thing for one of the dairies, it may have been Arla. I can't remember. Fertiliser and fuel was one of the bigger things on the list but I also added in chemicals and the like (which are all petrochemicals).

The one thing I was not sure on at the time was the nature of the fertiliser used, I.E is MOP better or worse than a tonne of AN? Your survey might be different.

For livestock producers, their emissions of NOx and the like may be included in time if it isn't already.

The bulk of sewage is returned to land I thought? Even so, this can't be done universally.
 
Unsure what the question is, or who is asking it of you, but in any event, just say "There is nothing wrong my side of the farm gate". If they come back at you, just repeat "There is nothing wrong my side of the farm gate". Until they go away.
And if any of your national representative bodies don't back you up in that statement, sack them.
Surely at some point someone will ask you to back up that statement with some facts and figures
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Yet again we are between a rock and a hard place. Like the steelworks has no option but to use coal, we have no current feasible option but to use artificial fertilisers, so what’s the point of all these audits just to point out the obvious, slap a big fine or levy on us for what end purpose? We don’t have feasible alternatives to avoid punishment.
We can make tweaks and adjustments but by and large it as as it is, and it’s not too bad actually.
I just hope it goes away. Much more of this and I’ll stop. It won’t be worth getting out of bed. It’s hardly worth it as it is.
 

uztrac

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
fakenham-norfolk
We are currently being assessed based on our usage of "Fossil Fuels" - of which our usage of Fertiliser seems to be weighed against us heavily.

Is this correct ?

I buy based on the price of Nitrogen not how it has been manufactured. Whereas the government is punishing me based on how it was manufactured whilst at the same time activily promoting human waste being flushed into the sea.

To follow Government "Green" policy the government need to recycle human waste and food waste back to the farmer so I can buy it. I can't do that but government can IF they actually want to do recycling (Which I doubt VERY much).
Please advise who or whom is assessing your operation ? this would be a good starting point for comment and or assistance.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Clover is a good natural source of N, but really needs livestock to make it work as we all know. But they don’t want livestock.
“They” never seem to satisfied and are never content but feel the need to stick their oar in to stuff they don’t really understand, especially at the practical level.
 

delilah

Member
Surely at some point someone will ask you to back up that statement with some facts and figures

Surely that's where our national representative bodies come in ?
If I was bored enough I could write an absolutely water-tight essay/ book to back it up. All the evidence has been posted on here, never mind what we all instinctively know by applying a dollop of common sense. But why should I and every other individual producer have to do that ? It's what unions are there for.

Everyone from Avis car rental to Sky media are carbon neutral - it must be true because google (also carbon neutral) just told me that - yet here we are, apologizing and beating ourselves up. It's pathetic.
 

DrWazzock

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
What annoys me most is that we don’t just tell them to do one, but like RT we let them keep on taking the pee. Where is the farming union on this? If they said that nationally we aren’t doing these audits and everybody stuck by that then what could those actually requiring these audits do about it?
 
Location
southwest
Don't worry about it. A major airline (can't recall which one) recently announced they are "carbon neutral"

Still burning lots of fuel, but pay for tree planting to offset it.

Just say you're carbon neutral 'cos you grow grass and crops
 
Surely that's where our national representative bodies come in ?
If I was bored enough I could write an absolutely water-tight essay/ book to back it up. All the evidence has been posted on here, never mind what we all instinctively know by applying a dollop of common sense. But why should I and every other individual producer have to do that ? It's what unions are there for.

Everyone from Avis car rental to Sky media are carbon neutral - it must be true because google (also carbon neutral) just told me that - yet here we are, apologizing and beating ourselves up. It's pathetic.
Unfortunately representative bodies are far from doing that, there’s a thread on here about the NBA, national beef association going in the wrong direction and the NFU want carbon neutral by 2040, it seems they think we are a long way from that at the moment.
If the bodies that represent us think we are guilty as charged what hope is there?
How do we get them to change their mindset and the message they portray
 
Location
southwest
Don't worry about it. A major airline (can't recall which one) recently announced they are "carbon neutral"

Still burning lots of fuel, but pay for tree planting to offset it.

Just say you're carbon neutral 'cos you grow grass and crops


Writing this has got me thinking.

Is there any way that these "We pay for trees to be planted" claims are certified? Or is there some guy in South American or somewhere, taking money off these big businesses and just sending them all a picture of the same area of tree planting?

I'm reminded of last year's Election where all the Parties tried to outdo each other in terms of how much planting they would do if elected. It got to the stage where there was neither the trees or the land available to meet the hyped claims.
 

delilah

Member
How do we get them to change their mindset and the message they portray

By doing our job as members: Making them accountable.
Couple of weeks ago there was a thread on here where the 'affiliate' members of the NFU were discussed. I suggested that all NFU members reading the thread - of which there would have been hundreds - do what I have done and email the NFU and ask the question "who are our affiliate members?". Want to know how many did so ? A big fat zero. My assumption.
Why is that relevant to this thread ? Because it is the affiliate members of the NFU who wish for farming to be tied up in ever more red tape, as it gets rid of producers and makes their supply chain easier to manage/control.
We get the representation we deserve.
 

Hampton

Member
BASIS
Location
Shropshire
We are currently being assessed based on our usage of "Fossil Fuels" - of which our usage of Fertiliser seems to be weighed against us heavily.

Is this correct ?

I buy based on the price of Nitrogen not how it has been manufactured. Whereas the government is punishing me based on how it was manufactured whilst at the same time activily promoting human waste being flushed into the sea.

To follow Government "Green" policy the government need to recycle human waste and food waste back to the farmer so I can buy it. I can't do that but government can IF they actually want to do recycling (Which I doubt VERY much).
Yara etc should be making there own businesses carbon neutral, not keeping quiet and shifting the responsibility on to us!
 

Hampton

Member
BASIS
Location
Shropshire
Writing this has got me thinking.

Is there any way that these "We pay for trees to be planted" claims are certified? Or is there some guy in South American or somewhere, taking money off these big businesses and just sending them all a picture of the same area of tree planting?

I'm reminded of last year's Election where all the Parties tried to outdo each other in terms of how much planting they would do if elected. It got to the stage where there was neither the trees or the land available to meet the hyped claims.
Also, when you book with an airline, they ask if you want to pay to make your flight carbon neutral. Surely they should already be making it carbon neutral so the customer doesn’t have to.
 

Lowland1

Member
Mixed Farmer
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I had clients who were having to do a similar carbon audit thing for one of the dairies, it may have been Arla. I can't remember. Fertiliser and fuel was one of the bigger things on the list but I also added in chemicals and the like (which are all petrochemicals).

The one thing I was not sure on at the time was the nature of the fertiliser used, I.E is MOP better or worse than a tonne of AN? Your survey might be different.

For livestock producers, their emissions of NOx and the like may be included in time if it isn't already.

The bulk of sewage is returned to land I thought? Even so, this can't be done universally.
I did one of these for tenderstem broccoli and we were brilliant minimum tillage, no fertilizer,minimal chemicals.Then we pack it in plastic and put it on an aeroplane. Still I will keep doing it until no one wants it anymore.
 

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Man fined £300 for bonfire-related waste offences

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Written by William Kellett from Agriland

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A man has pleaded guilty at Newtownards Magistrates’ Court to waste offences relating to a bonfire next to the electrical sub-station on the Circular Road in Newtownards, Co. Down.

Gareth Gill (51) of Abbot’s Walk, Newtownards pleaded guilty to two charges under the Waste and Contaminated Land (Northern Ireland) Order 1997, for which he was fined £150 each and ordered to pay a £15 offender’s levy

On June 25, 2018, PSNI officers went to Gill’s yard, where they found a large amount of waste consisting of scrap wood, pallets, carpet and underlay.

Discussion with Northern Ireland Environment Agency (NIEA) officers confirmed the site...
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