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happycows
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- North Devon Cornwall border
That is too much. In my suppliers newsletter he's quoting May to Oct blend (80% cubed nuts) in 10 ton blown lots 16% protein, fully mineralised to compliment grazing based around wheatfeed and other quality ingredients for £180. he thinks he can do something for me around 15% ptn and 13.5 me just from quality ingredients with grain maize ,wheatfeed, soya hulls, soya for bypass protein and distillers if needed to get protein where I want. for £170 that's full 18t load tipped.
soya is starting with a 2 for spring keeping proteins competitive and wheatfeed £120 delivered to mills.
Also grain maize ex docks is £116 a ton that will keep a lid on cereal prices.
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could someone answer this for me please
we forward bought 60ton of soya last summer for nov-apr delivery, we took half in Nov and i wanted the rest in Jan but was told when i called feed company it was March delivery and couldnt have it earlier. I also booked 30t for the summer May/Sept price and im told that it will be a July delivery.
So is it right that i cant get the soya when i want? All booking has been done verbally with nothing being signed, i like keeping my word but can i say no i want the soya on my time scale?
we forward bought 60ton of soya last summer for nov-apr delivery, we took half in Nov and i wanted the rest in Jan but was told when i called feed company it was March delivery and couldnt have it earlier. I also booked 30t for the summer May/Sept price and im told that it will be a July delivery.
So is it right that i cant get the soya when i want? All booking has been done verbally with nothing being signed, i like keeping my word but can i say no i want the soya on my time scale?
mr grumpy
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- East Devon
as it goes for fertility whats good and what to be avoided in dairy cows or is there no particular one thing just a balance
- Location
- Shropshire
Hypro soya £385/t in totes.
Sugar beet nuts £265/t.
Sugar beet nuts £265/t.
- Location
- Northumberland
When you forward buy soya on a Nov-apr price you have to specify which month you want it at time of ordering. Either you did this or your merchant did it on your behalf.
thankyou i wasnt aware of that
Afternoon all. After a bit of advice... Firstly, can anyone recommend a decent 16% cake to feed my 5 month old heifers? Price? Preferably in tote bags as do not have a bin at my heifer buildings... yet!
Secondly, what about looking at alternative options to feeding cake? Plenty of arable farmers around here - what about rolling some wheat/barley and buying some protein to add? Would rather ask on here for an unbias response as opposed to the reps around here! This is being fed alongside baled grass silage with the aim of calving them at 23-24 months.
Secondly, what about looking at alternative options to feeding cake? Plenty of arable farmers around here - what about rolling some wheat/barley and buying some protein to add? Would rather ask on here for an unbias response as opposed to the reps around here! This is being fed alongside baled grass silage with the aim of calving them at 23-24 months.
Martyn
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- South west
We have been quoted £218 for a 13.5me dairy cake including meglac, grass nuts, sugar beet, cereal, soya, rape and wheat feed, 16% protien from 1st may till September 8 tonne drops. How does that sound?
happycows
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- North Devon Cornwall border
First one winter blend October to April 16. £182 collected or £190 tipped delivered. I've booked it but might tweak it a bit. Like bit more me and starch.
Second one summer blend. Now to September same price. Looks a bit hot on starch front but huge slug of grain maize will not cause to much fizz and soak up the protein in the grass and decent NDF too. Kept milk protein at 3.6 last year and 4.1 bf.
This is what a proper feed ticket should look like. Not just in order.
No fats or gimmicks. Just best quality ingredients.
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happycows
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- North Devon Cornwall border
I'm not deliberately being awkward.
why rape? Plenty of that type of protein in grass. You need good bypass protein. Grass nuts too. You have grass in the fields. Why buy it? Looking at it I'd want more ndf. Soya hulls would be less likely to cause acidosis than sugar beet. Which cereal. Wheat would be very fizzy. grain maize would be slow starch with highest me.
See my blend above. Tailored to compliment fresh grass. Every ingredient needs to be serving a perpose with value for money of different straights in the back of your mind.
Wheatfeed is good value for starch and ndf. Soya is best value quality bypass protein. Barley is cheap but grain maize soaks grass protein up so making more use of that so is my preferred choice. Soya hulls cheap and good ndf to compliment grass. Sugar beet cheap too but better placed to winter ration.
Have you heard of Luppo Deipenbrooke? Tought me a lot and I have faith to formulate my own feed now. Ditched all fats/yeasts ect for over a year now. Milk quality and fertility never been better. I've had higher averages but you need to look at the bigger picture.
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cowcrazy
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- SE Cornwall
Thats a great looking blend how many Kgs a day are you feeding? Does it go through the robot OK?
happycows
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- North Devon Cornwall border
Highest yielders up to 17/18 kgs for 55/60 litre cow. I think once there acclimatised to it after calving you couldn't do too much harm with that blend. It is quite rumen friendly. possibly not milky enough for you? I know you were always feeding a lot higher protein than me. I've lost some litres but better fats and ptns and no expensive extras.
Robot copes with it ok. just a bit of wastage on the floor (1kg a day perhaps), but I know others have tried blend in the robot and didn't like it.
Robot copes with it ok. just a bit of wastage on the floor (1kg a day perhaps), but I know others have tried blend in the robot and didn't like it.
Baling Hay
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Could that be cubed for in parlour feeders I wonder and at what cost?
happycows
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- North Devon Cornwall border
I don't see any reason why not. Problem is the large companies don't like doing lots of bespoke cakes. I'd be very interested to hear what they'd charge. The company I use only does blends.
Great small family firm with only half a dozen staff. No sales staff on the road. Just Nick the boss doing most of his sales by recommendation and word of mouth.
http://www.tamarmilling.co.uk/
Jackson4
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- Wensleydale
Unless the rape is the heat treated stuff, aminomax, prototec etc... its a bit confusing though as some companies advertise they use it but then ticket just says rapemeal on it? so your never quite sure what your getting. It has 50% more DUP for 15% more money than rapemeal, but the maillard reaction they use to make the protein more undegradable robs the rape of some energy i think?
so that has to be made up elsewhere, unless they do it when they make it. First time i've seen grass pellets in a feed!
Few people have been saying I'm paying too much for my feed and I also felt I was so just wondering what everyone else thinks.
Alpha 18 is fed to Youngstock and the beef cattle and its £218 delivered and blown
Ewe rolls blown £215
Calf pellets blown 242
18% ME parlour cake blown £242
Alpha 18 is fed to Youngstock and the beef cattle and its £218 delivered and blown
Ewe rolls blown £215
Calf pellets blown 242
18% ME parlour cake blown £242
happycows
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- North Devon Cornwall border
They don't even state the ME. These feed tickets need a radical shake up,perhaps along with the feed companies. Why don't they put all the information on there? Print on the back if they want to save paper.
They are doing very well out of that second cow cake (the Alpha looks a better ingredients list). second and third ingredient soya hulls delivered in at £125/7 and going out at £242 and wheat at £120 plus £10 milling. scandelous!!
Feed company once re-formulated a HDF cake i was on and moved soya hulls as a second ingredient and my cows wouldn't eat it. they came and sucked it out the bin again. Typical large feed company formulation.
They are doing very well out of that second cow cake (the Alpha looks a better ingredients list). second and third ingredient soya hulls delivered in at £125/7 and going out at £242 and wheat at £120 plus £10 milling. scandelous!!
Feed company once re-formulated a HDF cake i was on and moved soya hulls as a second ingredient and my cows wouldn't eat it. they came and sucked it out the bin again. Typical large feed company formulation.
happycows
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- North Devon Cornwall border
Unless the rape is the heat treated stuff, aminomax, prototec etc... its a bit confusing though as some companies advertise they use it but then ticket just says rapemeal on it? so your never quite sure what your getting. It has 50% more DUP for 15% more money than rapemeal, but the maillard reaction they use to make the protein more undegradable robs the rape of some energy i think?
I got persuaded into trying some of these heat treated things once. Was told heat treated wheat was as good as grain maize. Tried it and no comparison. Only one that would appeal to me is the rape as part soya replacement.
Personally I'd rather lower the overall protein a bit and have better quality protein. You can't go wrong with distillers, rape meal and hipro soya as protein sources. If there using anything else you need to be seeing the price you pay drop off fast.
Baling Hay
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Heat treated soya is good for when grazing to bump up by pass protein and still keep overall protein levels low.