Defra Staff seek 4 day working week

[kiwi pom]

Questions for you guys.

1. How much do you think a salaried full time GP IS paid?

2. How much do you think a full time salaried GP should be paid?

Don't know, how much are they paid and how much do you think they should be paid?

How many GP's in the UK are salaried employees compared to those who are self-employed running their own practice?

 

[nxy]

Staffing levels are very high in France , supermarkets , bricos etc , how they make money I don;t know

AS ever when I talk about France what I really mean is here, which is the dark uninhabited end of the Haute Vienne. Wages are low and people work 35 hour weeks. It works because rents and house prices are low and people don't aspire to impress their neighbours with a new BMW every 18 months. People though do care about food and living well.

 

[bobk]

AS ever when I talk about France what I really mean is here, which is the dark uninhabited end of the Haute Vienne. Wages are low and people work 35 hour weeks. It works because rents and house prices are low and people don't aspire to impress their neighbours with a new BMW every 18 months. People though do care about food and living well.

What is minimum wage in Fr ? £11 here

 

[BuskhillFarm]

Questions for you guys.

1. How much do you think a salaried full time GP IS paid?

2. How much do you think a full time salaried GP should be paid?

The threads about Defra and NI equivalent, is less than £25k and they had to give the admin staff a pay rise when they raised minimum wage.

GP in NHS? Likely £50-70k before coming a consultant or doing private work.

There’s more chance getting rich out of farming than from working for civil service

 

[nxy]

So yes for 12-hour shifts?
Combines park up for a 2-hour break in the middle of the day?

Yes to 12 hour shifts with a 2 hour lunch. As to the combine policy (in my defence) the climate helps.

 

[kiwi pom]

Would they do a full days work any week?

I'd imagine so, do you have any knowledge of their working day?
What's a full days work?

Seems to be a lot of slagging off of employees in general on here, mostly by people who aren't employees themselves.

 

[BuskhillFarm]

I'd imagine so, do you have any knowledge of their working day?
What's a full days work?

Seems to be a lot of slagging off of employees in general on here, mostly by people who aren't employees themselves.

I worked in NIs version of Defra (Daera) for near on 10 years. Some work hard some not so. Like a lot of offices they can get a bit toxic, bums on seats weather there’s work to be done or not

 

[nxy]

Why do you think half of Europe/EU was so keen on working time directive? You'd never get that to fly in the USA. How to knobble your economic output in 3 easy steps....

Staffing levels are high because people work low hours but my region has high unemployment especially amongst the young so isn't it better that more people work a bit than a few work their arse off and the rest are on the dole?

 

[nxy]

What is minimum wage in Fr ? £11 here

11,52 euros basic which means 9,52 basic pay after deductions which would be heavier here than UK.

 

[kiwi pom]

I worked in NIs version of Defra (Daera) for near on 10 years. Some work hard some not so. Like a lot of offices they can get a bit toxic, bums on seats weather there’s work to be done or not

Same in any job that I think.

 

[ollie989898]

Staffing levels are high because people work low hours but my region has high unemployment especially amongst the young so isn't it better that more people work a bit than a few work their arse off and the rest are on the dole?

Unemployment in the UK is not due to a shortage of jobs or hours to work...

 

[bobk]

Unemployment in the UK is not due to a shortage of jobs or hours to work...

No , it's cos a high proportion are bone idle

 

[ollie989898]

The threads about Defra and NI equivalent, is less than £25k and they had to give the admin staff a pay rise when they raised minimum wage.

GP in NHS? Likely £50-70k before coming a consultant or doing private work.

There’s more chance getting rich out of farming than from working for civil service

A consultant is a specialist in a particular branch of medicine. A GP is a specialist in general practice. Whilst the two are not quite the same, they are roughly equivalent (although many specialties take much longer to become a consultant in- often 5-7 years) but can't be directly compared.

Salaried GP will be up to 70-80K-ish, bit more in London. If you want more you have to do more work (more sessions/week) or become a partner, in which case you also become a businessman/woman and you don't draw a salary for any of it; you're effectively self-employed.

 

[bobk]

A consultant is a specialist in a particular branch of medicine. A GP is a specialist in general practice. Whilst the two are not quite the same, they are roughly equivalent (although many specialties take much longer to become a consultant in- often 5-7 years) but can't be directly compared.

Salaried GP will be up to 70-80K-ish, bit more in London. If you want more you have to do more work (more sessions/week) or become a partner, in which case you also become a businessman/woman and you don't draw a salary for any of it; you're effectively self-employed.

Last time I went to the docs they were more concerned about selling me covid and flu jabs , I walked out

 

[Paddington]

Working for a private company, I shared an office with civil service staff. I would be sent out at 8.30 to work outside, usually by myself. At 10am the civil servants would appear a few hundred metres away, at least two vehicles, say three people, with gophers to get the things they had forgotten, all doing the same sort of work. At lunchtime they disappeared for a couple of hours to the pub, I took half an hour with a flask of coffee and sandwiches. At 3pm they had finished for the day, I got back a couple of hours later to be told I wasn't working hard enough.

 

[Swarfmonkey]

A consultant is a specialist in a particular branch of medicine. A GP is a specialist in general practice. Whilst the two are not quite the same, they are roughly equivalent (although many specialties take much longer to become a consultant in- often 5-7 years) but can't be directly compared.

Salaried GP will be up to 70-80K-ish, bit more in London. If you want more you have to do more work (more sessions/week) or become a partner, in which case you also become a businessman/woman and you don't draw a salary for any of it; you're effectively self-employed.

C'mon Ollie, you know there's a massive gulf between the pay of salaried GPs and GP partners. £69k average for the salaried GP, £142k for the average partner. Every £ spent on providing care to the patients is a £ off the GP partners earnings. Now if that's not a massive motivational factor to provide the lowest level of service I don't know what is.

We, the ones who are paying for it, are mugs. It's not like they're operating in a free market, what with the catchment areas and all. Maybe Labour were right with their idea to can the current system and make the whole lot salaried GP's?

 

[bobk]

C'mon Ollie, you know there's a massive gulf between the pay of salaried GPs and GP partners. £69k average for the salaried GP, £142k for the average partner. Every £ spent on providing care to the patients is a £ off the GP partners earnings. Now if that's not a massive motivational factor to provide the lowest level of service I don't know what is.

We, the ones who are paying for it, are mugs. It's not like they're operating in a free market, what with the catchment areas and all. Maybe Labour were right with their idea to can the current system and make the whole lot salaried GP's?

Blair introduced this system

 

[ollie989898]

C'mon Ollie, you know there's a massive gulf between the pay of salaried GPs and GP partners. £69k average for the salaried GP, £142k for the average partner. Every £ spent on providing care to the patients is a £ off the GP partners earnings. Now if that's not a massive motivational factor to provide the lowest level of service I don't know what is.

We, the ones who are paying for it, are mugs. It's not like they're operating in a free market, what with the catchment areas and all. Maybe Labour were right with their idea to can the current system and make the whole lot salaried GP's?

But partners have to run a business as well as work as a doctor, are you expecting them to do this for nothing? They have to pay their insurance, recruit staff and maintain their office systems.

GP land is not a universally popular place for the recently graduated, I can tell you that.

 

[Massey mad]

I think the Defra staff do very well and have amazing stamina to be able to keep going to work every day knowing no one would be any worse off if their jobs disappeared over night, I feel compelled to go to work 365 days a year because livestock rely on me but I can see why it must be fairly draining turning up to work everyday to achieve nothing

 

[tullah]

I think it's known as a hero hours contract.

I think it's known as get your public employees index linked pension.