marco
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- Location
- tipperary, ireland
£28.000 has to be a contender at that price.
Disc drill from Sumo
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£28.000 has to be a contender at that price.
- Location
- Nr Malvern... SW Worcestershire
And a 16 row cereal version could be even less..!?
They will likely be already working on getting a pat. for some Detail and with that the free usage is once more not possible. You may be surprised how important this Pat. thing for companies is and how extensively they are using it.
My sister worked in the pat department of a small electronic company, some 300 employees. Just the pat department had 4 people just looking after Patents. After the company was sold the ex owners kept the pat with them. Even after 20 years after selling the company, the pat are a good income for them.
The pat. think is for them more important than marketing in a certain extend.
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damaged
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
@Jim Bullock . Moore 16 Coulter approx. £24k.
Interesting question came from speaking to Sam Moore- How can a 750a put 250kg per coulter when total weight divided by 19 (on a 3 meter) is less.
Interesting question came from speaking to Sam Moore- How can a 750a put 250kg per coulter when total weight divided by 19 (on a 3 meter) is less.
- Location
- Nr Malvern... SW Worcestershire
Thanks for that... £24K for a three metre machine....might just go and open the safe to see if I can find the cheque book..
Don't worry too much about coulter weight. If the machine won't go into the ground because its that hard/dry the seed/crop won't grow...and if the soil is friable its not a problem.... but if the soil is wet you will be smearing the seed slot so emergence will not be that good..
damaged
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
@Jim Bullock . Keep the SD! I'm still hoping to get an old 4000SD for a tenth of aforementioned figure
- Location
- Nr Malvern... SW Worcestershire
No plans to get rid of it just yet... but need to update our tined drill a bit.. and then we will be kitted up to drill 100 acres a day..! With one machine that was written off our books ten years ago and the other that cost £1100.. IMO its the only way to make money with wheat @£125/ton (and not worrying about finance charges)@Jim Bullock . Keep the SD! I'm still hoping to get an old 4000SD for a tenth of aforementioned figure
damaged
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
Tine drill for wetter conditions @Jim Bullock ,something like a kv ts evo?
SilliamWhale
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I add wafer weights to mine if needs be. But rule of thumb is to be able to turn the gauge wheels with two hands when all is down. If you can't do it with a combination of downpressure and soil being compliant you simply add more weights til you do. Even if you seed in the dry ,rain does come it always does. I was surprised last year in September that crops came up so quick when it seemed to be bone dry with no moisture - they'll find it
@Jim Bullock . Keep the SD! I'm still hoping to get an old 4000SD for a tenth of aforementioned figure
I used to have a triple disc and found it a bit wanting. Its ok but left me a bit frustrated.
250kg number is from a 4m
Seed in hopper and weights on frame
Mine ran at closer 300kg with hopper full and fert tank full of water this autumn
In dry conditions coulter weight is VERY important imo and even at the weights we achieved still had to drill slower and almost held off for rain in a few situations this last autumn
On my new drill I'm considering filling the tool bars with concerete for strength and weight
SilliamWhale
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Just wafer weight it down in places. The tool bars are stronger now.
Simon Chiles
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- Location
- Surrey/ Kent Border, UK
Don't bother. You'll need less and less pressure as the years go on. You'll only wish you hadn't in a few years time.
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- Location
- Nr Malvern... SW Worcestershire
Will... there are triple disc drills and triple disc drills ...ours does weigh in at 4.5 tons empty...
However I have to agree that they are not the perfect answer.. works like a dream in dry and friable soil conditions but when it gets wet, you have a lot of cereal straw residue or you need to drill beans then the tine is a better option. We have both so can change accordingly.
- Location
- Ashford, Kent
Speaking to the SUMO chap at cereals I asked him why there is no seed firming wheels on their drill. He said a seed firming wheel is needed if you have excess air flow which causes seed bounce and because they had the air relief outlets on the seed pipe a press wheel is not needed. Do people think this is correct? I think it would be possible to add some to my 750a and if it meant I could keep the pressure of my Fins (which have replaces my seed firming wheel) then they will wear our much slower. People thoughts please.
Thanks
Andy
Thanks
Andy
my thoughts are that the seed firming wheel is just about the 750a's best point
not having one is bonkers, they are not their just to reduce bounce they are there to firm seed into soil as the name suggests
I am thinking of running seed tube exhausts though as it will allow high fan speeds and reduce coulter blocks and further improve seed placement - they are a cheap mod so cant see any downside
Andy - have you seen how the fert is delivered on my drill behind the firming wheel, fins would last about 10acres here I think
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John Baker in his original book raved about the plus points of a seed firming wheel, but said that the engineering implications were a little tricky, I think John deere have solved this problem remarkably well. They supposedly go some way to reducing the effects of hairpinning (which is probably why none of you think it is a problem).
Dad is finally on board about getting a disc drill (having bought a new drill last year....) Jake Freestone managed to convince him yesterday. What does a new 4m cost these days?
Dad is finally on board about getting a disc drill (having bought a new drill last year....) Jake Freestone managed to convince him yesterday. What does a new 4m cost these days?
around 12k /m is a rough guide
Jake has a tine drill BTW
unless he's been shopping recently ?
Knockie
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- Location
- Aberdeenshire
around 12k /m is a rough guide
Jake has a tine drill BTW
I was one of the lucky ones who got a Sumo Versaplus! Brilliant machine in all conditions, dont care what its worth, it will never be sold! Never is a long time tho.... Heavy and takes 300+ to pull the 4m but have had excellent establishment on all crops. Its clever too, being able to cut off half the coulters and accurately seed oilseed either side of front subsoiler leg. Would love fert combi but going to put liquid fert system on it to get feed beside the seed!