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It says 0.6 Arable 0.4 New Grass Leys . That's what confused me .if it's just over twice as strong then why not half the amount being 1 litre
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ollie989898
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Its not double the strength, its 333g per litre as someone else mentioned.
Its basically a product designed for arable use so you add a dash per hectare and can cover a huge area without opening many cans. Starane is still used in a big way in arable circles. I used to use it in maize as it would flamethrower a lot of weeds just by waving the can at them.
Add it to something else and watch it do the business.
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- Ceredigion
Thrust £40 . Opinion please £40 for 5 litres
Monty
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- Nantwich, Cheshire
Have you guys read these labels? Starane Hi load is 480g/l and 0.45L/hectare for young grass leys not established which could go on roughly double that rate
Had good results on docks last year using Hurler (same as minstrel) at 0.5L/acre roughly £6.50/acre compared to £10.40/acre full rate. Wiped out the docks but didn't touch the chickweed though which is a bit annoying. More annoyingly knocked the grass right back before the drought/heatwave hit and lost a good 50%yield compared to the unsprayed part
Hopefully forage trader will make a decision before christmas time
Had good results on docks last year using Hurler (same as minstrel) at 0.5L/acre roughly £6.50/acre compared to £10.40/acre full rate. Wiped out the docks but didn't touch the chickweed though which is a bit annoying. More annoyingly knocked the grass right back before the drought/heatwave hit and lost a good 50%yield compared to the unsprayed part
Hopefully forage trader will make a decision before christmas time
ollie989898
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0.5L of hurler is a waste of time im afraid. That is the kind of dose I would use in tank mix with other herbicides on maize.
Have you guys read these labels? Starane Hi load is 480g/l and 0.45L/hectare for young grass leys not established which could go on roughly double that rate
Had good results on docks last year using Hurler (same as minstrel) at 0.5L/acre roughly £6.50/acre compared to £10.40/acre full rate. Wiped out the docks but didn't touch the chickweed though which is a bit annoying. More annoyingly knocked the grass right back before the drought/heatwave hit and lost a good 50%yield compared to the unsprayed part
Hopefully forage trader will make a decision before christmas time
https://secure.pesticides.gov.uk/pe...sp?productid=29391&pageno=1&origin=prodsearch
Not approved on perm pasture? 1 year or more?
If you spent less time trying to save a quid and got some money made you'd be as clever as me .
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- Ceredigion
I've ordered Starane HI Load it's a good half less than Dockstar . I'm doing 1 half a field with Dockstar as a comparison. If it works I've saved nearly a £1000
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- Ceredigion
I will keep this going and post results . I hope you will all join in
Monty
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- Location
- Nantwich, Cheshire
I don't see why you can't use non approved fluroxyphr on permanent grass but can use approved fluroxyphr in a different tub with a different label. A link to the label here
https://www.corteva.co.uk/products-and-solutions/crop-protection/starane-hi-load.html
Take a look at the labels for envy and starane xl both sold on farm marketplace here. They are identical formulations, both made by Dow but one is for arable and one is for grassland and the arable one is 2/3 the price of the other. So why pay more for the exact same thing?
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- East Sussex
Have you guys read these labels? Starane Hi load is 480g/l and 0.45L/hectare for young grass leys not established which could go on roughly double that rate
Had good results on docks last year using Hurler (same as minstrel) at 0.5L/acre roughly £6.50/acre compared to £10.40/acre full rate. Wiped out the docks but didn't touch the chickweed though which is a bit annoying. More annoyingly knocked the grass right back before the drought/heatwave hit and lost a good 50%yield compared to the unsprayed part
Hopefully forage trader will make a decision before christmas time
That hiload 480g figure is a bit of a fiddle. The figure that is comparable to others is actually the acid equivalent which is 333 for the hiload.
ollie989898
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Is Starane XL the same strength as envy??
ollie989898
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What is their definition of 'permanent pasture'?
davidroberts30
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- pembrokeshire
PP according to the powers to be is grass +5 years
ollie989898
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You see you will get conflicting answers from different organisations.
If I plough the field every autumn and put a 1 year ley in, and do that for 5 years on the trot, is it permanent pasture?
davidroberts30
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- pembrokeshire
no coz its not been same grass crop for 5 years
ollie989898
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Ah but that is the definition used by the RPA. You claim a piece of land is in grass for 5 years and in their eyes its PP.
Monty
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- Nantwich, Cheshire
They're identical. A suspension emulsion formulation containing 100g/litre fluroxyphyr and 2.5g/litre florasulam.
ollie989898
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Starane XL has been used on cereal crops for years. The envy will have had to jump through a lot more hurdles because where it is applied to grass they will have had to conduct animal feeding studies to demonstrate its effects on them and where the actives end up and in what form. That is why you can't put Starane XL on grassland- it doesn't have the approvals.
None of which stopped many people when it came to putting Ally on their grass. It also introduces a range of interesting questions for CRD when you consider that I can spray wheat with anything I like, even Atlantis, and have it end up being fed to cattle as wholecrop 3 months later...
davidroberts30
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- pembrokeshire
If you just put it from arable to grass then just say its grass,in 5 years it becomes pp
In year 4 change the code for another grass code...
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