Drott vs JCB?

[edessex]

It's not my Avant. Hired in machine. The point of having it was to avoid an extra machine. A machine able to load and transport could take the place of a dumper and an excavator (used as a loader), but only if it's powerful enough.

Trailers are generally out of the question, other than for transport of machinery.

 

[edessex]

I've looked at tractor attachments. So far I haven't found one I haven't dismissed.

 

[puntabrava]

As much as a Drott needs transporting, a 360 wouldn't do the job.

So it's down to is a tracked machine better than a wheeled machine at doing the job, and therefore worth the expense of transportation?
Bear in mind I'm looking at old machines, and a wheeled one would more than likely be 2WD.

It seems your thinking is different to most hence the demise of the tracked loader.

 

[edessex]

Not really, I just take on the types of jobs that everyone else seems to cry off of. lol

 

[Fendtbro]

So, we've used diggers and dumpers, it's a slow job leaving one machine out of action (waiting) most of the day. We've used Avant type loaders, they lack the power needed.

Yes a 13T tracked excavator will make short work of a 6m wide track out in the open.
But take it on a job with a 3m track with overhanging trees and it's less than useless.

Moving materials seems the biggest problem. Dumpers are idea, that is what they are for. But you need a digger just to load it.
Now we need to dig drainage gullies, so either the dumper sits there for hours unused while the driver works it's way down the track, or we need a second digger, just to load a dumper.
Then of course there is the spreading, a dumper can only do so much. A mis-tip, and you need to track a digger all the way back to sort it out before the next dumper load.

If I have a machine that can bust through the undergrowth, scratch the surface up a bit to level, and stop to swipe out a drainage gully with a backhoe, then self-load material and spread. Then it's less time and faffing around.

No one machine is ideal. But it's finding the machine that can do it the best.

Must be very tight and overgrown tracks that a 13tonner can’t work in? I bought a 12 ton Cat track shovel maybe 15 years ago and it had continuous difficult to sort problems. Was Never and still Isn’t a money making machine. Anything goes wrong in the backend is a huge and specialist job to sort. Nothing like just swapping a final drive on an excavator. If grading out a road we usually drag the gravel in with the grader then skin of the black ground At the edge to form a small ditch with the tilting ditcher. Then spread the gravel out again. Have you got someone that can grade with the backhoe front bucket? Without pushing it into a berm at each side..

 

[Lincsman]

A good 4 in 1 bucket with a good driver will do it, maybe loosen tough bits up with a toothed rear bucket, best 4 in 1 I have used is on a Ford 655c, it has a square rear edge and going backwards really smooths with a little tweaking to pull more or loose some.

Most of the essentials are Ford Tractor parts, so easy to source.

 

[edessex]

Some of the lanes are very tight and overgrown.

I have no mechanical knowledge of these machines, so anything you can tell me would be very useful!

 

[davidroberts30]

I've looked at tractor attachments. So far I haven't found one I haven't dismissed.

Box scraper behind the tractor?

 

[edessex]

Box scraper behind the tractor?

First one I dismissed. Lol

 

[Fendtbro]

Some of the lanes are very tight and overgrown.

I have no mechanical knowledge of these machines, so anything you can tell me would be very useful!

Could you make extra money mulching the scrub back? We do this work also. The final drive on a track shovel takes a real beating.. massive shock loads. They are strong but do fail. That has been the bulk of my trouble.. we have a tractor trailed grader which will put some camber on the road. Home made years ago. If you can manage the water on the road better than other contractors you should get repeat business. Camber, crossfall and ditches.. front loader bucket leaves everything flat.

 

[JLTate]

I bought that a couple of months ago for piling soil heap up. Loading unscreened/ screened soil.

£2,500 it cost. No clutch. Simple forward and back lever. starts instantly

Hellish lift, stable plus great for levelling.

Plus simple to drive so anyone can jump on if they drop a load

Yes it’s a pain to transport Compared to a wheeled machine but I’ll just put it on low loader. Not a massive job

 

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some options of wheel diggers fermac be a good tool
just had a thought if your planning on finishing a road with the 4in1 it will be like f all, a road need a high centre and run off to either side or it wont last doing roads with the back actor gets old fast bucket down one jack just on the ground the other right up sitting at a angle the whole day to put a run off on the road. only working a short bit and have to lift the whole bloody lot to move again

 

[michael N123]

This is what you , Want you can Drive it on the road between jobs,View attachment 912344 got a blade on the front , Like for Something similar to this. Also put a 360 rotating bucket on it you’ve got everything.

Is that legal towing on the road in the uk

 

[Joe S]

Is that legal towing on the road in the uk

not technically i don't think (possibly a gray area if carrying attachments but i cant remember now) JCB where going threw the courts arguing it but never heard the outcome

 

[edessex]

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That is a nice bit of kit!

Any negatives so far?

 

[JLTate]

That is a nice bit of kit!

Any negatives so far?

Not really, Obviously having no cab has its negatives but I knew that when I bought it.

Only two speed either direction so tracking to say the other end of the field takes time.

Weighs roughly 9 - 10t at a guess and it doesn’t make no where near the mess I expected.

Haven’t used the ripper yet soCant really comment on that.

Loads 12 / 14 ton trailers so even though reach is restricted due to having the 4-1 it’s surprising what you can drop into

 

[edessex]

Up for sale I see now JLTate? Quick ownership lol

 

[JLTate]

Up for sale I see now JLTate? Quick ownership lol

correct. Just bought a 360.

 

[renewablejohn]

My holder C500 might be worth considering. Its reverse drive with 3 way tipping body behind the cab. Comes with 3 point link and pto front and back so could put grader on back and forwarding crane on front which can be used as loader or digger. With being pivot steer I have also put a 3 point roller on the front then using the negative lift arms lifted the tractor wheels of the ground to make a decent road roller.