EU shows its true colours

[yin ewe]

Alot of what you say makes sense but the EU can't be blamed for the stupjtidy of the carry on in Westminster
The US have much the same promlems in relation to housing Labour etc and many more countries also.

I think what you say is correct- the problems of the UK are not down to the the EU, but over the last 40 years, they have taken over so much of the regulation and governance of the country, that all we have in Westminster are a bunch of rubber stamping muppets, who are incapable of running the country without looking for some sort of EU directive.

Get out of the EU and make our politicians hang by their own tail, instead of them always looking for the EU to blame.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Alot of what you say makes sense but the EU can't be blamed for the stupjtidy of the carry on in Westminster
The US have much the same promlems in relation to housing Labour etc and many more countries also.

I agree in principle .. but we really don't know how much of todays problems are because of deals with the EU and vice versa.

I know I didn't cause them and I doubt you did either.

 

[Boohoo]

I think what you say is correct- the problems of the UK are not down to the the EU, but over the last 40 years, they have taken over so much of the regulation and governance of the country, that all we have in Westminster are a bunch of rubber stamping muppets, who are incapable of running the country without looking for some sort of EU directive.

Get out of the EU and make our politicians hang by their own tail, instead of them always looking for the EU to blame.

You've hit the nail on the head there. Every unnecessary layer of government just means it's easier for our elected representatives to blame someone else and more difficult for the electorate to get rid of those who aren't up to scratch. I'd get rid of devolved government too, not that we've had one for 2 years, and split powers between Westminster and local councils.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

So its come out now Blair and his band of remainers worked with the EU as they thought they could stop Brexit . The EU were told by Blair to make leaving as hard as they possibly could and we would never leave

 

[bobk]

So its come out now Blair and his band of remainers worked with the EU as they thought they could stop Brexit . The EU were told by Blair to make leaving as hard as they possibly could and we would never leave

Traitor twice .

 

[Boohoo]

So its come out now Blair and his band of remainers worked with the EU as they thought they could stop Brexit . The EU were told by Blair to make leaving as hard as they possibly could and we would never leave

That's old news, how Bliar is a free man I'll never know.

 

[Henarar]

So its come out now Blair and his band of remainers worked with the EU as they thought they could stop Brexit . The EU were told by Blair to make leaving as hard as they possibly could and we would never leave

stupid bloke has got no idea

 

[Boohoo]

Traitor twice .

Only twice?

 

[yin ewe]

So its come out now Blair and his band of remainers worked with the EU as they thought they could stop Brexit . The EU were told by Blair to make leaving as hard as they possibly could and we would never leave

Surely things like this, added to Tusk and Leo the other day, added to May's treatment by the EU leaders last year, will only galvanise support for leaving the EU. Time to get on with it so we can get back to discussing the weather again.

 

[bobk]

Surely things like this, added to Tusk and Leo the other day, added to May's treatment by the EU leaders last year, will only galvanise support for leaving the EU. Time to get on with it so we can get back to discussing the weather again.

Exactly , we've never been a submissive nation and were not starting now

 

[Henarar]

Exactly , we've never been a submissive nation and were not starting now

I think it is to late for not starting but hopefully we woke up in time

 

[stewart]

Its decisive in the context, if you had been in the UK (you may of been, I don't know), you'd of received through your letterbox, like every household in the land, leaflet from the government explaining how important it was to vote to stay in the EU, have a read here:

https://assets.publishing.service.g...ean-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk.pdf

There was no leaflet about the benefits or leaving the EU and still we voted to leave.

Government, big business, big institutions were all behind remaining and we still voted to leave.

We had all the information in fact it was bias into remaining but thankfully a sizeable majority of the population could see through the BS and voted to leave.

What BS? I have had a quick read through the leaflet and it all seems fairly reasonable and accurate.

Did the Brexitear promoters have any BS on their side? Farage et. al. seemed to be concerned with regaining your Sovereignty, which is something you always had so why did you need to regain it? And how is everything progressing with the extra £350 million per week for the NHS?

I am only asking as even though I am on the other side of the world Brexit is reported daily on our news, maybe we have more balanced reporting than you seem to.

 

[stewart]

It depends on your point of view. If the football team you support wins 1-0 you and an opposition supporter may disagree in your interpretations of the decisiveness of the result. He may blame the referee or the state of the pitch, and you may say that your team should have scored 10 if one of your men had not been sent off, but the result stands, a replay is not the answer or allowed and apart from drawing attention to reasons for a close result it is a pointless exercise.

It's not a football match or even a sport, the vote to leave or stay was very close, no matter which way it went around half the population will be disappointed, disappointment is ok if you are only talking about losing or winning a match, there is always next week to recover have another. crack and win the game, when it is a decision that affects the rest of your life or your childrens future then it is far more important than any game.

 

[arcobob]

It's not a football match or even a sport, the vote to leave or stay was very close, no matter which way it went around half the population will be disappointed, disappointment is ok if you are only talking about losing or winning a match, there is always next week to recover have another. crack and win the game, when it is a decision that affects the rest of your life or your childrens future then it is far more important than any game.

Absolutely right and I voted out because I considered that it was better for the future generations of our country. My opinion, my decision and also a majority decision as it turns out.

 

[stewart]

Madness, should had to be a tax payer for at least five years to vote

Only tax payers should be allowed a vote.

Resident tax payers .

Are you serious? Why not take a real leap back into the 1800s and only give the vote to the Aristocracy, excluding women while we are at it.

 

[stewart]

Absolutely right and I voted out because I considered that it was better for the future generations of our country. My opinion, my decision and also a majority decision as it turns out.

I agree with you, the decision is yours to make whether it was the right or wrong one only the future will tell. It was also a majority, it would have been more convincing with a reasonable majority but it is still a majority

 

[stewart]

Absolutely right and I voted out because I considered that it was better for the future generations of our country. My opinion, my decision and also a majority decision as it turns out.

If the vote was for the the future generations of the country perhaps they should have been the only ones allowed to vote, should the over 60s have been excluded?

 

[arcobob]

If the vote was for the the future generations of the country perhaps they should have been the only ones allowed to vote, should the over 60s have been excluded?

I also voted for the future prosperity of agriculture but I am not a farmer. You cannot change the voting system just to suit your own point of view because it smacks of manipulation and abuse. In the Scottish referendum they lowered the voting age to sixteen and it backfired on them. If you want to take your argument to its logical conclusion the over sixties should be excluded from all elections and all government departments including the house of lords because the decisions taken on most issues will impact on future generations. If you want further proof just look at the EEC referendum of 1975.

 

[stewart]

I also voted for the future prosperity of agriculture but I am not a farmer. You cannot change the voting system just to suit your own point of view because it smacks of manipulation and abuse. In the Scottish referendum they lowered the voting age to sixteen and it backfired on them. If you want to take your argument to its logical conclusion the over sixties should be excluded from all elections and all government departments including the house of lords because the decisions taken on most issues will impact on future generations. If you want further proof just look at the EEC referendum of 1975.

Fair enough. It was asked as a question.

 

[arcobob]

Fair enough. It was asked as a question.

In the early run up to the referendum my wife and I never discussed our feelings with our offspring or their spouses. It turns out that we all voted the same way. I don`t think it was a coincidence because although we have similar political outlooks our backgrounds are not that similar. One son in law is a farmer, as were his family for generations before and the other son in law is a golf professional though his family are predominantly teachers.