EU threatens to ban UK ag and food exports to them

[Cowabunga]

Oh dear

No need for me to repeat it. Read it again if you cannot comprehend it the first time. Try and refute any of it with reasoned points.

 

[robs1]

No need for me to repeat it. Read it again if you cannot comprehend it the first time. Try and refute any of it with reasoned points.

Try getting some maths lessons. 43 % is not now nor has it ever been a majority.

 

[farmerm]

I'm waiting for your [half sensible] reply. I've given you proper figures. You have given nothing. You are probably angry because it has become perfectly obvious that the Tories have dug the biggest hole in history for the UK and you can't yet come to terms with that, despite having been told so for two years or more. It's only recently become perfectly obvious to even the most blinkered advocate of brexit that you were sold a crock of shït. Where is that 'oven ready' deal? Where are all the financial advantages of leaving the EU? Where are all the trade opportunities that overwhelm those lost? What happened to 'negotiating from a position of strength'?
Fact is that the cost of administration on our borders and of exports and imports alone will add up to more than our annual net contribution to the EU.
But you won't accept any of that.

So do explain what the advantages are and what we actually gain in reality from this debacle? You've had three years to come up with a convincing answer, so let's hear it.

We are taking back control init

 

[lloyd]

Try getting some maths lessons. 43 % is not now nor has it ever been a majority.

Where is the 43% being replaced from come January?

 

[robs1]

Where is the 43% being replaced from come January?

Are you saying we wont be exporting to the EU after the 1st of Jan

 

[Cowabunga]

But the EU was set up to all be equal?? I don't know? One currency, same rules, free movement etc

My honest opinion, I'm happy for any county or country to be sovereign and independant.

No it was not. It was set up to avoid conflict between nations that were traditionally often in conflict with one another. One part of this was to agree trade rules and standards for goods and services that would be followed by all. That did not ever mean the same degree of wealth although one of its aims was to even up the wealth of the population of nations to some degree. To transfer some affordable wealth from the richer nations to the most disadvantaged and poorer nations. Yes, free movement of both people and capital and businesses, goods and services within the trading block.
Greater political and fiscal amalgamation came later with the grand scheme of the single currency, which was never going to work well without central control of taxes and spending as well, which themselves are too ambitious to have even been tried yet. Hence the single currency will always be problematic for the less productive and competitive, hence counter to the initial aims of the EU in many ways, their [common]currency doomed to being overvalued compared to Germany and France.
Fact is though that the UK never did enter or had any intension of ever entering the single currency while we were part of the EU.
We are and always were sovereign and independent within the EU. There were certain rules and regulations to follow of course, but the UK always had a front seat in actually formulating those rules and regulations and indeed have often gold-plated the basic EU regulations for enforcement within the UK. This is witnessed by your very own post above about your recent experience in Greece, which you must confirm is very different in its application of EU and its own rules to the UK's.

 

[Cowabunga]

Are you saying we wont be exporting to the EU after the 1st of Jan

There is the very real possibility that we will be priced out of the market or will have to take a severe haircut in our prices to cover the added cost of exporting. It is almost inevitable that we will lose a substantial proportion of our market share and volume sales also.

 

[Cowabunga]

Try getting some maths lessons. 43 % is not now nor has it ever been a majority.

Tell me any other three or four countries or even trading blocks that add up to anything like 43% of our exports. I've asked before and you have yet to come up with any.

 

[lloyd]

Are you saying we wont be exporting to the EU after the 1st of Jan

No only jesting but a good proportion of exports could be damaged
so that number might decrease dramatically.
I do believe the EU need us less than we need them but time
will tell shortly.

 

[Cowabunga]

We are taking back control init

I wish I knew what we are taking back control of and how it will help the British working man and woman and child. Or business.

 

[Thick Farmer]

No it was not. It was set up to avoid conflict between nations that were traditionally often in conflict with one another. One part of this was to agree trade rules and standards for goods and services that would be followed by all. That did not ever mean the same degree of wealth although one of its aims was to even up the wealth of the population of nations to some degree. To transfer some affordable wealth from the richer nations to the most disadvantaged and poorer nations. Yes, free movement of both people and capital and businesses, goods and services within the trading block.
Greater political and fiscal amalgamation came later with the grand scheme of the single currency, which was never going to work well without central control of taxes and spending as well, which themselves are too ambitious to have even been tried yet. Hence the single currency will always be problematic.
Fact is though that the UK never did enter or had any intension of ever entering the single currency while we were part of the EU.
We are and always were sovereign and independent within the EU. There were certain rules and regulations to follow of course, but the UK always had a front seat in actually formulating those rules and regulations and indeed have often gold-plated the basic EU regulations for enforcement within the UK. This is witnessed by your very own post above about your recent experience in Greece, which you must confirm is very different in its application of EU and its own rules to the UK's.

We entered into the EEC, which was a trading block. We’re leaving the EU which has become a political force that nobody initially voted to join.

 

[Cowabunga]

We entered into the EEC, which was a trading block. We’re leaving the EU which has become a political force that nobody initially voted to join.

I have some sympathy with that view, except that the UK was one of the central and most powerful players within the EU and always had, and used our veto when things didn't suit us. We never did join the single currency and would never have allowed an EU army for instance.

 

[farmerm]

Are you saying we wont be exporting to the EU after the 1st of Jan

If no deal is agreed and we default to WTO terms then for some goods with high tariffs (such as lamb) we absolutely wont be exporting them to the EU in the quantities that we do now. Worse still if both side stick to this willy waving competition then EU fishing boats wont be permitted in our waters and in response the EU will indeed close the door to food and farm produce from the UK

 

[Fast Farmer]

No it was not. It was set up to avoid conflict between nations that were traditionally often in conflict with one another. One part of this was to agree trade rules and standards for goods and services that would be followed by all. That did not ever mean the same degree of wealth although one of its aims was to even up the wealth of the population of nations to some degree. To transfer some affordable wealth from the richer nations to the most disadvantaged and poorer nations. Yes, free movement of both people and capital and businesses, goods and services within the trading block.
Greater political and fiscal amalgamation came later with the grand scheme of the single currency, which was never going to work well without central control of taxes and spending as well, which themselves are too ambitious to have even been tried yet. Hence the single currency will always be problematic.
Fact is though that the UK never did enter or had any intension of ever entering the single currency while we were part of the EU.
We are and always were sovereign and independent within the EU. There were certain rules and regulations to follow of course, but the UK always had a front seat in actually formulating those rules and regulations and indeed have often gold-plated the basic EU regulations for enforcement within the UK. This is witnessed by your very own post above about your recent experience in Greece, which you must confirm is very different in its application of EU and its own rules to the UK's.

So based on your first sentence the EU has failed, conflict in Kosovo, Greece vs Turkey over Cyprus, Israel and its neighbours, Turkey and Syria, Ukraine vs Russia

All the Mediterranean countries are on there knees, we along with other countries pay a fee to be a part of it and most of the money is kept by very few, have you actually seen the EU headquarters and other EU buildings in Zurich etc

In all fairness I can remember being in college 2004 and UKIP were dead against single currency if it wasn't for them I do think labour would have given in to the EU and we would say bye bye to the pound

 

[Dry Rot]

watched something on telly back along about it but can't remember the details, I think they held them back for a bit but they just wanted to get stuck in, hated the Germans and with good reason

Plenty of Poles in this area during the war and still plenty of Polish names around here from those times. Good people and usually hard workers.

 

[farmerm]

I have some sympathy with that view, except that the UK was one of the central and most powerful players within the EU and always had, and used our veto when things didn't suit us. We never did join the single currency and would never have allowed an EU army for instance.

Not only was the UK was of the central and most powerful players, it was Winson Churchill who declared we must work to form a United States of Europe, in 1946, his ideas seeded the EU project. The irony is the man who models himself on Churchill is now the man driving the wrecking ball.

 

[Thick Farmer]

I have some sympathy with that view, except that the UK was one of the central and most powerful players within the EU and always had, and used our veto when things didn't suit us. We never did join the single currency and would never have allowed an EU army for instance.

It didn’t help us in 2016 though. Remember when ‘Cameron promised a loaf but left with crumbs’. Their reluctance to compromise at that point put the UK in a situation that meant that we had to leave.

 

[Fast Farmer]

At the end of the day, unless your very lucky Farming does not pay, we get subsidised for a reason, so if something is not paying let's change it and try something else, try a different path, so what if we export less to the EU, let's just import less and be self sufficient, there's 60 million plus people in the UK to feed, let's make them eat British food ban Brazilian beef, New Zealand lamb, Danish pork, German Potatoes, French powered milk the list goes on

 

[Cowabunga]

So based on your first sentence the EU has failed, conflict in Kosovo, Greece vs Turkey over Cyprus, Israel and its neighbours, Turkey and Syria, Ukraine vs Russia

All the Mediterranean countries are on there knees, we along with other countries pay a fee to be a part of it and most of the money is kept by very few, have you actually seen the EU headquarters and other EU buildings in Zurich etc

In all fairness I can remember being in college 2004 and UKIP were dead against single currency if it wasn't for them I do think labour would have given in to the EU and we would say bye bye to the pound

Hold on, most of those countries are not in the EU.
Those Mediterranean countries that you say are on their knees have been constrained by a single fixed currency referenced to Germany, but the reason that they are on their knees is overwhelmingly because they spent well over what they should have and agreed to.
Ireland was in a dire position after the financial crash, as dire as any of those and is in the single currency to boot, but it has managed to become a force to be reckoned with and a shining example of what can be achieved within the EU. It didn't blame the EU or the single currency for its troubles and has achieved great things simply by managing and prioritising its economic and industrial policies to greatest advantage. If they can do so, so should those Mediterranean countries if their leadership was up to it. Unfortunately it appears their leadership is not, but the EU can't help that or interfere with their sovereign politics.

 

[Cowabunga]

It didn’t help us in 2016 though. Remember when ‘Cameron promised a loaf but left with crumbs’. Their reluctance to compromise at that point put the UK in a situation that meant that we had to leave.

It could be that we were demanding a loaf and wanting pudding as well. We couldn't force the others to give in to our demands any more than they could force us to join the single currency or change any EU rules that we didn't agree to.
What it did do was give nasty little propagandists and mischief makers like Nigel Farage some meat to chew on.