EU threatens to ban UK ag and food exports to them

[Cowabunga]

At the end of the day, unless your very lucky Farming does not pay, we get subsidised for a reason, so if something is not paying let's change it and try something else, try a different path, so what if we export less to the EU, let's just import less and be self sufficient, there's 60 million plus people in the UK to feed, let's make them eat British food ban Brazilian beef, New Zealand lamb, Danish pork, German Potatoes, French powered milk the list goes on

The British [not EU] imperative is 'cheap food' over and above anything else. Always has been and always will be. This is not a priority for the French or Germans, which is why they always fought to the UK farmer's [and their own] advantage.

If you think the Tories are going to ban cheap food from wherever they can source it, you are on a different planet to mine.

 

[Fast Farmer]

Nigel Farage, probably the only man in recent years who actually deserves a knight hood

 

[Dry Rot]

Human nature is conflict from day 1 and all ways will be, maybe not me or you but in general we all want to be better than the next person or people...

maybe it's best we give Wales, NI and Scotland referendums for independence once and for all, farms in Wales are different to England, farms in Scotland are different to NI etc etc hence why the EU doesn't work, you go to Greece and they can do what they hell they like, shot a pig with a 2.2 rifle hang it from an olive tree while tourists look on, do the same here and your put in prison.

I was in Greece last year and the local plod turn up at the local bar, have a couple of drinks and then drive off but were all in the EU.??? Can you imagine that happening here these days?

So home kill is no longer permitted here in the UK? Learn something new every day here on TFF. Unfortunately, I don't have an olive tree though....

Home slaughter of livestock

Legal requirements and guidance for home slaughter.

www.food.gov.uk

 

[Jackov Altraids]

I am an internationalist not a nationalist. I believe that after religion, nationalism including English or British nationalism, is detrimental to all countries that espouse it and to most of the population of countries where a proportion of the population demand it. It is a modern form of tribalism that inevitably breeds conflict.

I find that a very narrow minded and flawed view.
I consider myself to be both. Proud to be an Englishman and embrace anyone. I think most of us are most happy to meet someone who is particularly proud of their own nationality.
Tribalism is a deeply imbedded psychological construct from which none of us escape. It used to be based on families, then geography, then religion, then football clubs and now its facebook groups. Embracing all those who share your country of birth is probably the healthiest.

 

[Fast Farmer]

Yes

So home kill is no longer permitted here in the UK? Learn something new every day here on TFF. Unfortunately, I don't have an olive tree though....

Home slaughter of livestock

Legal requirements and guidance for home slaughter.

www.food.gov.uk

Yes buts there's guidelines, licences, protocol not half pee'd Greeks with a rifle in the back yard

 

[Jackov Altraids]

Of course they won't. They will be far more expensive in the UK of course and UK built cars will be most uncompetitive in Europe, their biggest market. If they go ahead with breaking the recent deal over the Irish border, we can forget any kind of deal that allows British vehicles favourable access into the USA and Canada also.

So there would be a huge incentive for UK citizens to buy UK built cars?........

 

[le bon paysan]

So home kill is no longer permitted here in the UK? Learn something new every day here on TFF. Unfortunately, I don't have an olive tree though....

Home slaughter of livestock

Legal requirements and guidance for home slaughter.

www.food.gov.uk

Its banned here in France.
I can take an injured beast to the abbatoir in a well bedded trailer.
I can have the carcass back to cut for myself.
I can't shoot it here.
I can send an animal to the abattoir in a group, marked AC for auto consummation and have them cut it for me, and fetch the cuts.
That's it.

 

[Highland Mule]

huge incentive

10% on cars under WTO. But I’m fairly sure that the government published tariffs of 0% for all imports on all goods, some time back, so there would be no incentive for us, but a big disincentive for EU citizens. Unles that’s changed of course, which given our lot is quite likely.

 

[farmerm]

At the end of the day, unless your very lucky Farming does not pay, we get subsidised for a reason, so if something is not paying let's change it and try something else, try a different path, so what if we export less to the EU, let's just import less and be self sufficient, there's 60 million plus people in the UK to feed, let's make them eat British food ban Brazilian beef, New Zealand lamb, Danish pork, German Potatoes, French powered milk the list goes on

Sorry I am afraid you you suffer delusions and are completely out of touch with reality I fear you rather over estimate how much your government values your contribution! As farmers we don't make the decisions when it comes to our country importing less food and being more self sufficient! Yes what we have now isnt working and those in charge have a plan to change it, but its not exactly the plan you suggest! Not sure if you have noticed but our urban centric parliament have already put in the schedule to scrap farm subsidies. And for those for which it has yet to sink in ELMs is not a BPS replacement, it is a countryside stewardship replacement, it will offer little more than cover costs and income foregone for installing and managing environmental options. Agriculture is a tiny bit of the UK economy, we are a tiny minority of voters but providing the masses with cheap food wins votes. Rather than enforce increased self sufficient the stated goal of this government is to do the exact opposite, it is to increase free trade, to welcome Brazilian Beef, New Zealand lamb etc etc

 

[Jackov Altraids]

Sorry I am afraid you you suffer delusions and are completely out of touch with reality I fear you rather over estimate how much your government values your contribution! As farmers we don't make the decisions when it comes to our country importing less food and being more self sufficient! Yes what we have now isnt working and those in charge have a plan to change it, but its not exactly the plan you suggest! Not sure if you have noticed but our urban centric parliament have already put in the schedule to scrap farm subsidies. And for those for which it has yet to sink in ELMs is not a BPS replacement, it is a countryside stewardship replacement, it will offer little more than cover costs and income foregone for installing and managing environmental options. Agriculture is a tiny bit of the UK economy, we are a tiny minority of voters but providing the masses with cheap food wins votes. Rather than enforce increased self sufficient the stated goal of this government is to do the exact opposite, it is to increase free trade, to welcome Brazilian Beef, New Zealand lamb etc etc

I agree with this other than I believe Fast Farmer was being optimistic rather than deluded.
I just fear that this is where we are in the natural cycle of global development. The CAP has been kicking the ball into the long grass for decades and we just as well get on and deal with it. Imported food will not be cheap for very long.

 

[milkloss]

Sorry I am afraid you you suffer delusions and are completely out of touch with reality I fear you rather over estimate how much your government values your contribution! As farmers we don't make the decisions when it comes to our country importing less food and being more self sufficient! Yes what we have now isnt working and those in charge have a plan to change it, but its not exactly the plan you suggest! Not sure if you have noticed but our urban centric parliament have already put in the schedule to scrap farm subsidies. And for those for which it has yet to sink in ELMs is not a BPS replacement, it is a countryside stewardship replacement, it will offer little more than cover costs and income foregone for installing and managing environmental options. Agriculture is a tiny bit of the UK economy, we are a tiny minority of voters but providing the masses with cheap food wins votes. Rather than enforce increased self sufficient the stated goal of this government is to do the exact opposite, it is to increase free trade, to welcome Brazilian Beef, New Zealand lamb etc etc

of course, you’re right, we’re just farmers after all. Best just get back to our cows/sheep/tractor or whatever and keep quiet.

 

[Ukjay]

So all this scaremongering of all the additional administration roles etc, but the same people fail to quote how much the government will obviously take back on all the income taxes etc, so what will the true impact be with this proposed mass job creation and people being taxed (as opposed from the people trying to avoid paying taxes in other sector or handouts)?

 

[farmerm]

of course, you’re right, we’re just farmers after all. Best just get back to our cows/sheep/tractor or whatever and keep quiet.

I didn't say keep quiet. If you think you can make enough noise to change the direction of this government such that they will make food self sufficiency a priority, then you get out there and do it chap... but right now I doubt you, I or every farmer in the country combined have the power "make them eat British food ban Brazilian beef"

 

[tepapa]

Hold on, most of those countries are not in the EU.
Those Mediterranean countries that you say are on their knees have been constrained by a single fixed currency referenced to Germany, but the reason that they are on their knees is overwhelmingly because they spent well over what they should have and agreed to.
Ireland was in a dire position after the financial crash, as dire as any of those and is in the single currency to boot, but it has managed to become a force to be reckoned with and a shining example of what can be achieved within the EU. It didn't blame the EU or the single currency for its troubles and has achieved great things simply by managing and prioritising its economic and industrial policies to greatest advantage. If they can do so, so should those Mediterranean countries if their leadership was up to it. Unfortunately it appears their leadership is not, but the EU can't help that or interfere with their sovereign politics.

So you say Ireland was in a dire position and by managing and prioritising it's economic and industrial policies it has achieved great things.
Yet you state the UK is ruined. You obviously have very little faith in the UK's ability to function post Brexit. Why can't Britain do what you say Ireland has done?

 

[Tarw Coch]

We entered into the EEC, which was a trading block. We’re leaving the EU which has become a political force that nobody initially voted to join.

Have said the same myself and that had it remained as the EEC we wouldn’t have had Brexit.

 

[Lowland1]

At the end of the day, unless your very lucky Farming does not pay, we get subsidised for a reason, so if something is not paying let's change it and try something else, try a different path, so what if we export less to the EU, let's just import less and be self sufficient, there's 60 million plus people in the UK to feed, let's make them eat British food ban Brazilian beef, New Zealand lamb, Danish pork, German Potatoes, French powered milk the list goes on

How are you going produce all that food without your Fendt and John Deere tractors or Claas and New Holland combines and your Grimme Potato harvesters and Horsch drills and Agrifac sprayers. How are making silage without your Krone mowers and forage harvesters. And even sheep farmers will need a Japanese 4x4 to pull their sheep trailers.

 

[Farmer1001]

IPlenty of countries trade with the EU, even those outside Europe. Yet these countries are not subject to their peculiar political laws and requirements?

No country outside the EU have a trade deal as far reaching and comprehensive as the one we “have” as such the terms don’t need to be as deep. Re your last point, the news this morning about the USA blocking a USA/UK trade deal if HMG do anything to jeopardise the GFA, would appear to be a clear case of a country directly interfering in the political and trade negotiations between the Uk and the EU and making their USA) political requirements a specific term for a trade deal. But that’s ok because it’s the USA. It would also appear Truss bowed to Japans requirements on state aid and these go further than the Japan/Eu deal?

 

[Farmer1001]

. Imported food will not be cheap for very long.

Imported food will always be cheaper than UK produced based on the Ag bill and the governments agenda of greater Ft deals outside the EU. You don’t have to travel far outside the bubble to see the huge opportunity for farmers to become extremely productive and efficient across the planet. Brazil has 200 million cattle and restricted access to the Uk, Truss would like to address that - as a single example. The governments agenda is clear “public money for public goods” and the words of Labours Margaret Beckett (from years back) “meeting national food security by home grown means is an unnecessary Luxury, we don’t need to produce it if we can import it” have never been more relevant.

 

[Fast Farmer]

How are you going produce all that food without your Fendt and John Deere tractors or Claas and New Holland combines and your Grimme Potato harvesters and Horsch drills and Agrifac sprayers. How are making silage without your Krone mowers and forage harvesters. And even sheep farmers will need a Japanese 4x4 to pull their sheep trailers.

There's a little country called China and another called India,and Japan all make agricultural equipment

 

[Ukjay]

Imported food will always be cheaper than UK produced based on the Ag bill and the governments agenda of greater Ft deals outside the EU. You don’t have to travel far outside the bubble to see the huge opportunity for farmers to become extremely productive and efficient across the planet. Brazil has 200 million cattle and restricted access to the Uk, Truss would like to address that - as a single example. The governments agenda is clear “public money for public goods” and the words of Labours Margaret Beckett (from years back) “meeting national food security by home grown means is an unnecessary Luxury, we don’t need to produce it if we can import it” have never been more relevant.

Yes, but I would say those words were based on country being in full continuous supply from wherever - and not one having to deal with not being able to buy the basic goods due to a pandemic and panic.
It is here, that I truly hope this Pandemic (the start of Many to come I would say), has taught the elected idiots from whichever party, that we need to change our ways and actively become more self sufficient in our dealings - as we cannot rely on outside sources as much as we believe.

Additionally, wasnt She involved in some heated discussions over Tenant / Dairy Farmers etc?