Exlana ''Data Driven '' Sale 1/8/23

[Tim W]

Exlana ''Data Driven'' Sale is at Jct 27 of M5 next Tuesday for all those that want to stop loosing money with wool
Queries to [email protected] 07880 983593

Proven data, high health status , delivery & a good backup service all lead to customer satisfaction ---reflected in the fact that pre sale orders are higher than ever this year and it looks like 65% of sales will again be to direct online buyers

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=827099245398485

If you can't get there you can still buy good commercial wool shedding tups online at www.exlana.co.uk

 

[DanM]

@Tim W …I hear there’s a discount on your purchase price, if you collect your ram on the sale day??

 

[Tim W]

£50 off if you buy and collect from the sale

@Tim W …I hear there’s a discount on your purchase price, if you collect your ram on the sale day??

 

[Tim W]

Lot ~21 good growth figures and in the top 5% for muscle

 

[Bury the Trash]

Lot ~21 good growth figures and in the top 5% for muscle

did He sell well?

 

[Tim W]

did He sell well?

He sold for £2100
Averaged £1077
7 rams unsold in the ring
3 of those sold afterwards

 

[Kentishfarmer]

He sold for £2100
Averaged £1077
7 rams unsold in the ring
3 of those sold afterwards

Impressive results again!
Tim I've always wondered what your/Improved sheep genetics view is on people selling Exlana Rams or breeding ewes that's they've bred themselves out of Rams/stock originally bought direct?
Is it seen as cashing in on your intellectual property (through your recording and selecting) as it were? Or is it seen as just a good thing that the reach of the breed is growing albeit through other people's sales/breeding?

I know some bull breeders feel that they should get a small Royalty if another farmer starts selling bulls marketed on the strength of name of the sire that they've bought from said breeder

 

[Sharpy]

Impressive results again!
Tim I've always wondered what your/Improved sheep genetics view is on people selling Exlana Rams or breeding ewes that's they've bred themselves out of Rams/stock originally bought direct?
Is it seen as cashing in on your intellectual property (through your recording and selecting) as it were? Or is it seen as just a good thing that the reach of the breed is growing albeit through other people's sales/breeding?

I know some bull breeders feel that they should get a small Royalty if another farmer starts selling bulls marketed on the strength of name of the sire that they've bought from said breeder

Perhaps the other farmer should be paid by the original breeder for advertising his stock?
BTW I have no skin in this game, just thinking it cuts both ways.
Edit. I have just read @Tim W reply below, didn't realise the full situation.

 

[Tim W]

Impressive results again!
Tim I've always wondered what your/Improved sheep genetics view is on people selling Exlana Rams or breeding ewes that's they've bred themselves out of Rams/stock originally bought direct?
Is it seen as cashing in on your intellectual property (through your recording and selecting) as it were? Or is it seen as just a good thing that the reach of the breed is growing albeit through other people's sales/breeding?

I know some bull breeders feel that they should get a small Royalty if another farmer starts selling bulls marketed on the strength of name of the sire that they've bought from said breeder

The Exlana brand is not just about a sheep with a pretty skin and four legs ---it's about

• Proven data collected over many generations
• A proper statistical analysis of this data
• Good & tested health status
• Good professional backup service
• Ongoing R&D work into traits that are often ignored (parasite problems/efficiency/shedding ability etc)

These things and our reputation have been put at risk by a few others simply selling rams under the Exlana name when they have been reared on lush/clean pasture, wormed frequently , generally given an easy life with no recording and are of unknown health status

Which is why we have taken a trademark out to protect the Exlana brand
It is a breach of that trademark to sell Exlana stock unless you have our permission

In practice it means that you cannot sell Exlana rams unless they were originally bought from SIG Ltd

 

[neilo]

The Exlana brand is not just about a sheep with a pretty skin and four legs ---it's about

• Proven data collected over many generations
• A proper statistical analysis of this data
• Good & tested health status
• Good professional backup service
• Ongoing R&D work into traits that are often ignored (parasite problems/efficiency/shedding ability etc)

These things and our reputation have been put at risk by a few others simply selling rams under the Exlana name when they have been reared on lush/clean pasture, wormed frequently , generally given an easy life with no recording and are of unknown health status

Which is why we have taken a trademark out to protect the Exlana brand
It is a breach of that trademark to sell Exlana stock unless you have our permission

In practice it means that you cannot sell Exlana rams unless they were originally bought from SIG Ltd

Good luck with that. Plenty of ‘Aberfield’ rams still being sold by every Tom, Dick and Harry that has some Texel ewes and a BFL tup.

 

[Kentishfarmer]

The Exlana brand is not just about a sheep with a pretty skin and four legs ---it's about

• Proven data collected over many generations
• A proper statistical analysis of this data
• Good & tested health status
• Good professional backup service
• Ongoing R&D work into traits that are often ignored (parasite problems/efficiency/shedding ability etc)

These things and our reputation have been put at risk by a few others simply selling rams under the Exlana name when they have been reared on lush/clean pasture, wormed frequently , generally given an easy life with no recording and are of unknown health status

Which is why we have taken a trademark out to protect the Exlana brand
It is a breach of that trademark to sell Exlana stock unless you have our permission

In practice it means that you cannot sell Exlana rams unless they were originally bought from SIG Ltd

That's interesting, I hadn't realised it was such a problem/taken so seriously but I see where your coming from.
So if your an unapproved breeder or commercial farmer selling sheep that were bred in house from a trade mark exlana, what are you allowed/supposed to call them? Exlana cross? Generic shedding sheep?

 

[Kentishfarmer]

Perhaps the other farmer should be paid by the original breeder for advertising his stock?
BTW I have no skin in this game, just thinking it cuts both ways.
Edit. I have just read @Tim W reply below, didn't realise the full situation.

Thats a novel viewpoint I'll put that to the bull breeder next time! It's just good publicity for his quality genetics

 

[Bury the Trash]

Good luck with that. Plenty of ‘Aberfield’ rams still being sold by every Tom, Dick and Harry that has some Texel ewes and a BFL tup.

Can of Worms i should think.

could call them 'Exlana look a likes' ?


the business/ person who bought the 2k one will be understandably /logically at least saving their own Ram Lambs back next year as well as Ewes ......... Only problem with that sort of money is genuine Younger /newer entrants/business builders with out 'external resources' will be again be priced out possibly.

Seriously Interesting Subject though ,because who genuinely into it,with scruples (good old fashioned word not use d much these days ) would not want to pay back into the industry the Breeders of good stock.

 

[Bury the Trash]

He sold for £2100
Averaged £1077
7 rams unsold in the ring
3 of those sold afterwards

being cynical I do wonder if (any sort of ) 'Subsidy' money makes a difference .

He looks a cracking Ram but more to the point with such 'pedigree ' worth it for what he will , given the chance, pass on ...i will hastily add .

 

[farmerm]

Can of Worms i should think.

could call them 'Exlana look a likes' ?


the business/ person who bought the 2k one will be understandably /logically at least saving their own Ram Lambs back next year as well as Ewes ......... Only problem with that sort of money is genuine Younger /newer entrants/business builders with out 'external resources' will be again be priced out possibly.

Seriously Interesting Subject though ,because who genuinely into it,with scruples (good old fashioned word not use d much these days ) would not want to pay back into the industry the Breeders of good stock.

"Exlana type"

 

[Bury the Trash]

"Exlana type"

or just "Shedder " .

 

[farmerm]

or just "Shedder " .

that might be confused with "comes with scab"

 

[Hampton]

Thats a novel viewpoint I'll put that to the bull breeder next time! It's just good publicity for his quality genetics

Surely if he’s a lim breeder then that’s different to the exlana thing, which is more like the stabiliser model

 

[Hampton]

Can of Worms i should think.

could call them 'Exlana look a likes' ?


the business/ person who bought the 2k one will be understandably /logically at least saving their own Ram Lambs back next year as well as Ewes ......... Only problem with that sort of money is genuine Younger /newer entrants/business builders with out 'external resources' will be again be priced out possibly.

Seriously Interesting Subject though ,because who genuinely into it,with scruples (good old fashioned word not use d much these days ) would not want to pay back into the industry the Breeders of good stock.

My neighbour has gone heavily into woolshedders.

Breeders step up hunt for wool-shedding genetics - Farmers Weekly

A farmer and a vet are embarking on what they claim is the world’s largest progeny testing scheme of wool-shedding sheep in a quest to breed low-input,

www.fwi.co.uk

He has some very interesting plans in what he is trying to breed

 

[Bury the Trash]

My neighbour has gone heavily into woolshedders.

Breeders step up hunt for wool-shedding genetics - Farmers Weekly

A farmer and a vet are embarking on what they claim is the world’s largest progeny testing scheme of wool-shedding sheep in a quest to breed low-input,

www.fwi.co.uk

He has some very interesting plans in what he is trying to breed

Taken as a starting point , No wool saves a lot of money. We shear our own but those paying shearers will be well out of pocket .
that's on top of those late evenings/early mornings dagging /bellying for cleanliness at the abattoir.

This year similar to 2012 (constant poor summer weather) note the greyness in the fleece before they were shorn whereas all the Exlana and most of the crosses with little enough , are actually white and ....clean . no blowfly problem.

Shedding sheep are with modern handling kit ,ime for those that don't wish to be embroiled in the BTB fiasco, as easy as Cattle to keep , and out wintering/feeding and lambing taken into consideration ,better , infact the ideal for someone who is interested in wants to keep livestock .