FARM SAVING HYBRID BARLEY?

[grommet]

Can it be done? Has it been done? What happens if you do? Is it just the biggest hoax EVER by the plant breeders? Why is it so damn expensive to buy new seed?

 

[T Hectares]

Been covered many times on here, it’s illegal and the hybrid traits last for one generation, so yes, something would grow but it wouldn’t be what you grew last year

 

[jon9000]

Do it! Just do it accidentally and dont tell anyone. You won't be able to tell the difference.

 

[Brisel]

Been covered many times on here, it’s illegal and the hybrid traits last for one generation, so yes, something would grow but it wouldn’t be what you grew last year

This. It's illegal and you risk getting different genes through so you get something that might not resemble the previous generation.

 

[grommet]

This. It's illegal and you risk getting different genes through so you get something that might not resemble the previous generation.

How do you know this? did the rep from syngenta tell you?

 

[Brisel]

How do you know this? did the rep from syngenta tell you?

Nothing to do with Syngenta or any reps thank you. I know a bit about how hybrids work. Do a search on "farm saving hybrids" in TFF and you'll see lots of threads on this subject, so you won't have to take my word for it.

 

[grommet]

Ok will do, im guessing it must be done behind closed doors - just to get a definitive answer.
Are you in the trade?

Nothing to do with Syngenta or any reps thank you. I know a bit about how hybrids work. Do a search on "farm saving hybrids" in TFF and you'll see lots of threads on this subject, so you won't have to take my word for it.

 

[Donkey Oaty]

How do you know this? did the rep from syngenta tell you?

There are some knowledgeable people on TFF. You have got the benefit of a reply from Brisel and seem to doubt him.
Go and get the opinion of a copyright lawyer and pay for his advice.

 

[grommet]

Do it! Just do it accidentally and dont tell anyone. You won't be able to tell the difference.

These accidents do happen occasionally - so ive heard.

 

[grommet]

Do you work in the trade too?

 

[Brisel]

Ok will do, im guessing it must be done behind closed doors - just to get a definitive answer.
Are you in the trade?

I'm a farm manager, not a seed sales rep or breeder.

 

[grommet]

all these emojis - my kids use them all the time when messaging me.

 

[Gong Farmer]

Nothing to do with the breeder, it's FSS rules.

 

[Farmer Roy]

Simply - second generation hybrid seed won't be "true to type" & will have different genetics & characteristics to the first generation that you are trying to replicate

 

[Serup]

If you google how genes are divided when breeding, you will see that the F1 generation all look the same with the genes from the parents, but the F2 generation will further develop in several different groups of genotypes, non of them like F1.
How big the difference will be to what you grow, depends on how different the parents genes is.
It's not just company propaganda.

And no i don't have any interest in any of this, i just listened in biology class and grow hybrid crops - rye, barley and maize.

 

[Farmer Roy]

If you google how genes are divided when breeding, you will see that the F1 generation all look the same with the genes from the parents, but the F2 generation will further develop in several different groups of genotypes, non of them like F1.
How big the difference will be to what you grow, depends on how different the parents genes is.
It's not just company propaganda.

And no i don't have any interest in any of this, i just listened in biology class and grow hybrid crops - rye, barley and maize.

FFS - I thought all that was common knowledge 20 or 30 years ago ?
Surely it's still common knowledge now ?

 

[Farmer Roy]

I'm all for farm saved seed & do it all the time. But if you want to do it, don't grow hybrid varieties
Simple
My sorghum & sunflower crops are all hybrid varieties but I wouldn't even consider saving that seed, apart from cheap covers / groundcover, but certainly not for commercial cash crops

 

[Clive]

It's not legal

Hybrid and GM ()if it ever happens in the UK) are no more than control mechanisms over us farmers IMO

I don't / won't grow hybrids

 

[Brisel]

FFS - I thought all that was common knowledge 20 or 30 years ago ?
Surely it's still common knowledge now ?

Evidently not. I can see the attraction of wanting to farm save a variety that costs a lot to buy in new. Just not a hybrid. Ignoring the law designed to protect people from themselves as well as intellectual property, you'd be playing Russian Roulette as to whether you got a high yielding next generation with all of the attributes of the parents or not. Luckily you know all of this!

 

[grommet]

Well its all interesting stuff, i wonder what the detriment would be to the quality of the seed VS the cost of new hybrid seed - if only done for one year. And the only way to tell is to actually do it i guess.
Reading books only ever gets you so far......
Best get back to my trial plots i guess.